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21-Aug-2011 10:05     
 
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It's quite likely to gap down, especially if NZ, ASX and Nikkei are gap down.

tanglinboy      ( Date: 21-Aug-2011 08:10) Posted:

Tomorrow will be another day of carnage

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http://www.sgx.com/wps/portal/sgxweb/home/company_disclosure/corporate_action

  I got the info from here. Under the dividend section... Click on read more... There will be a list of dividends given for the past 10 years.. 

xing78      ( Date: 21-Aug-2011 00:22) Posted:



I am not sure if they actually did that.

Below is what I managed to find.

By looking at the charts, if their dividends are annualized for the past 5 years, it should be below 20% dividend yield. 

http://www.corporateinformation.com/Company-Snapshot.aspx?cusip=C702H4740

 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 21-Aug-2011 00:17) Posted:

2006 they have also given out 50 cents of dividend.
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21-Aug-2011 00:22     
 
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I am not sure if they actually did that.

Below is what I managed to find.

By looking at the charts, if their dividends are annualized for the past 5 years, it should be below 20% dividend yield. 

http://www.corporateinformation.com/Company-Snapshot.aspx?cusip=C702H4740

 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 21-Aug-2011 00:17) Posted:

2006 they have also given out 50 cents of dividend..

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:59) Posted:



Did they give out dividend of 20% and more every year since IPO?

Their stock price at it's peak is $4 I believe before the 2008 crisis.

Net off the dividend, you still lose out if you are still holding this counter for the last 5 years. 
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Anyway, just to share with you that I started to put money into gold etf and uob gold savings account on a monthly basis when gold spot broke out USD1000/oz with the inverted head and shoulders pattern as a way of monthly savings and hedge against inflation. 

I also started to put money into silver etf   later when the price was around 25.

I regretted my decision of not starting earlier when gold spot was at USD750/oz at the lows of the 2008 crisis.

If you examine the price history between gold versus DJIA (I used the index to substitute for equities in general). 

Which one is a better long term investment? 

Of course there could be some exceptional counters (like AAPL or BIDU) which does much better but not everyone has the hindsight to pick those really good counters before it's price began to take off.

Who would have thought AAPL will be going into the mobile phone business during the MP3/MP4 boom era?

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GLD+Interactive#symbol=gld range=my compare=%5Edji indicator=volume charttype=area crosshair=on ohlcvalues=0 logscale=off source=  
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 Alert Admin 		2006 they have also given out 50 cents of dividend..

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:59) Posted:



Did they give out dividend of 20% and more every year since IPO?

Their stock price at it's peak is $4 I believe before the 2008 crisis.

Net off the dividend, you still lose out if you are still holding this counter for the last 5 years. 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:27) Posted:

Transpac Industrial Holdings.. Its $1.70++ now.. Their dividend is 50cents per annum... You should owe me some beer now ? Hahaha


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 Alert Admin 		They have given out $2.10 of dividend at the year of 2007. 2008 no dividend. 2009 40 cents dividend. 2010 51 cents dividend. 2011 up to date is 57 cents dividend. Why not ?

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:59) Posted:



Did they give out dividend of 20% and more every year since IPO?

Their stock price at it's peak is $4 I believe before the 2008 crisis.

Net off the dividend, you still lose out if you are still holding this counter for the last 5 years. 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:27) Posted:

Transpac Industrial Holdings.. Its $1.70++ now.. Their dividend is 50cents per annum... You should owe me some beer now ? Hahaha


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Did they give out dividend of 20% and more every year since IPO?

Their stock price at it's peak is $4 I believe before the 2008 crisis.

Net off the dividend, you still lose out if you are still holding this counter for the last 5 years. 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:27) Posted:

Transpac Industrial Holdings.. Its $1.70++ now.. Their dividend is 50cents per annum... You should owe me some beer now ? Hahaha !

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:02) Posted:



Holding GOLD is a safer get than holding stocks in the next 5 years.

It has a 20-25% annualized returns for the last 10 years.

If anyone can find a listed company that can give out 20% dividend every year, do share with me and  I will buy you some beer.

Cheers. :p 

 


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20-Aug-2011 23:53     
 
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This is not right.

If you want to buy a good counter, you must buy at a good price. If you buy anytime this year, it's not a good price. The sensible thing to do is to sell, get back your capital and buy back at a lower price.

No one wants to a overprice counter and break even 20 years later. If you buy low, you can break even within a couple of months and a profit within a year. Why waste your money and time on a strategy that takes 20 years to break even, when you can do that within a year. All you have to do is just get out of this falling market and get back again market has bottomed.

You are right about buying when there is a big drop, but this is not the big drop yet. If market is going to crash and into recession, it could drop to near 2008 low, which is around 1600 to 1800 points. What we are now, this is just a dip.

No losses, no gain is correct. But you cannot loss everything. Losing everything is game over. If STI really falls to 1600, you are losing 60% of your investment. To recover your investment, would take a very long time. It's much better to protect your capital and goes in when the market is low.


andreytan      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 16:33) Posted:



For those who bought good counter , need not worry, don't see the px day to day, afterall, you say u are a long term invester.so if the px go down further just buy more and keep.

remember your px is not next day, next month or next year,...your px is 20 years from now...look at the price only 20 years from now. 

buy when there are big drop. Let those panic go and realised their loss. 

for if there were no losses, where come gain??

you will be the one to gain. 

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Short term wise， yes it is over bought. Long term wise it is not.

Let me ask you this question.

Say Gold is at the price of USD1800/oz now, which of the following would you prefer to hold for the next 5 years and not doing any trades within this 5 years?

1. GOLD

2. USD

3. Equities

 

monk999      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:29) Posted:

Really ah? Dont you find it overbought? Personally I think Gold is already at its peak or very near its peak. I feel that it may go sideways first or start to fall already. For the next 1-2 years, I prefer buy inverse gold etf. Cheers! 

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:02) Posted:



Holding GOLD is a safer get than holding stocks in the next 5 years.

It has a 20-25% annualized returns for the last 10 years.

If anyone can find a listed company that can give out 20% dividend every year, do share with me and  I will buy you some beer.

Cheers. :p 

 


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 Alert Admin 		Really ah? Dont you find it overbought? Personally I think Gold is already at its peak or very near its peak. I feel that it may go sideways first or start to fall already. For the next 1-2 years, I prefer buy inverse gold etf. Cheers! 

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:02) Posted:



Holding GOLD is a safer get than holding stocks in the next 5 years.

It has a 20-25% annualized returns for the last 10 years.

If anyone can find a listed company that can give out 20% dividend every year, do share with me and  I will buy you some beer.

Cheers. :p 

 

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 Alert Admin 		Transpac Industrial Holdings.. Its $1.70++ now.. Their dividend is 50cents per annum... You should owe me some beer now ? Hahaha !

xing78      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 23:02) Posted:



Holding GOLD is a safer get than holding stocks in the next 5 years.

It has a 20-25% annualized returns for the last 10 years.

If anyone can find a listed company that can give out 20% dividend every year, do share with me and  I will buy you some beer.

Cheers. :p 

 

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Holding GOLD is a safer get than holding stocks in the next 5 years.

It has a 20-25% annualized returns for the last 10 years.

If anyone can find a listed company that can give out 20% dividend every year, do share with me and  I will buy you some beer.

Cheers. :p 

 
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A great and sensible post by belgern...

        As long as one's account statement shows a loss,

                    it is a real loss, regardless of one's denial.

                                          And every moment of holding is a bet...  Smiley
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http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/04/021204.asp#axzz1VZhtf9R7
" This may be true from a tax perspective, but remember that a loss is a loss, whether it's been realized or not."


Not that your way of buying and holding is wrong per say, because you have a different investing mindset. You invest to beat inflation, you don't care how much the price moves  because you feel that it still beats inflation with the dividends paid out. And you will likely be averaging down with dips and  when it climbs above your  averaged out price, you would stand to gain tremendous amount when the day comes due to your increased  holdings. But this requires you to pump money... and more money if the markets continues to fall...

However,  some ppl invested with the mindset to make quick gains and the position they took up is infact overextended or beyond their comfortable zone. How do you expect people to keep holding on something whereby they have overextended themselves... ?  a loss is a loss, regardless it is  realised or not. *touch wood* but lets say if something were to happen and  said investor  need the money urgently, he/she would need to sell it immediately. that unrealised loss will just immediately become realised at limited control on his/her end.

the psych of an investor makes up his/her decision... if say SIA u bought last week  dip $1... its a acceptable volatility for now.. but what if it dips $5 over the  month.. ? will that still be an acceptable volatility? but alas, by then, any form of cut loss is no longer beneficial.

andreytan      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 16:24) Posted:

Those who have been holding and telling people not to panic are the real idiots here. Panic is the appropriate response when the global economy is collapsing. Take your money out of the market now before you lose even more. The buy and hold strategy will lead only to big losses. Guaranteed in these times. 
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I hate reading posts like these.  You DO realize that you don't lose a thing unless you SELL at a price lower than which you BUY, right?  Say I purchased 10 lots SIA last week.  Lo and Behold, my shares have dropped $1 in value.  I haven't LOST anything (look up unrealized gain/loss and learn something) until I SELL the shares.  Meanwhile, SIA is paying me a 6% per share dividend, helping me to beat inflation.  WHY would I want to sell?

 

The DOW and STI aren't going to drop to 0, and Blue Chip companies are not going out of business any time soon.  Phase in purchase of high dividend yielding blue chips companies while the market is dropping.  Cash in on the eventual market upswing (it WILL happen) and enjoy the returns via dividends until your stocks come back.

 

This isn't quantum mechanics.  Would you rather have a guaranteed 6% return and possibly encounter some temporary  UNREALIZED  losses, or would you rather sell and  have actual losses while losing ground to inflation via money market or CD?


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In last week, STI plunges 117 points from the opening of 2851 and close lower at 2734. A black candle sticks with little upper/lower shadow affirms that investors have no hesitant in selling down the stocks.

Key Economics Data report:

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke’s speech in the coming Friday will be a major focus for markets as investors are concern whether the economy is too weak to jump start itself. A number of economists felt that the chance is still high for quantitative easing although it would be unlikely to be announce on Friday.

Besides the Fed, investors will watch the Europe’s sovereign debt crisis which has been sending shockwaves in the past week. For the week, the Dow lost 4 percent to 10,817 the S& P 500 was down 4.7 percent. The finance ministers of France and Germany will meet Tuesday to work on details for a more rigid and cohesive fiscal structure.

Technical Analysis on STI

STI index has broke the 2820 critical support with high volume caused by poor data from US/Europe which in turn triggered more panic selling.

1)  In weekly chart, a black candle sticks with short upper/lower shadow affirms on the panic selling for the past week.

2)  The weekly trading volume dip slightly though the selling pressure remains relatively high.

3)  MACD and RSI indicators are bearish though RSI near oversold region.

4) STI is currently supported by the support at 2680.

5) Although the critical support at 2680 is expected to be very strong but the recent market sentiment have dampen investors confidences.

Important resistance of STI: 2770 (Daily charts)

Immediate Support of STI: 2680 (Daily charts)

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I have already shorted GAR @ .670 

    before it dropped after that breakout to .68 last week... Smiley


JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:52) Posted:

Are you waiting to enter or already entered ? haha.

iPunter      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:25) Posted:



Lol... the market is always there for people to place their bets.

      Each can bet according to his/her whims or inclination.

                  Since no one can predict anything, betting brings much

                            satisfaction when a bet turn a out right. But it is better

                                    to be prepared to be wrong, though, no matter how

                                              confident one feels.... Smiley
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 Alert Admin 		Are you waiting to enter or already entered ? haha.

iPunter      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:25) Posted:



Lol... the market is always there for people to place their bets.

      Each can bet according to his/her whims or inclination.

                  Since no one can predict anything, betting brings much

                            satisfaction when a bet turn a out right. But it is better

                                    to be prepared to be wrong, though, no matter how

                                              confident one feels.... Smiley


JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:15) Posted:

Hmm sifu so what do you suggest about the market ? haha
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Lol... the market is always there for people to place their bets.

      Each can bet according to his/her whims or inclination.

                  Since no one can predict anything, betting brings much

                            satisfaction when a bet turn a out right. But it is better

                                    to be prepared to be wrong, though, no matter how

                                              confident one feels.... Smiley


JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:15) Posted:

Hmm sifu so what do you suggest about the market ? haha.

iPunter      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:09) Posted:



Lol...  there's no such thing as " will" or " no this, or no that" .

  The best anyone can do is to let the market itself do the talking.

        If we predict to others, then if we are wrong, then there will be a stigma...  Smiley
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 Alert Admin 		Hmm sifu so what do you suggest about the market ? haha.

iPunter      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 19:09) Posted:



Lol...  there's no such thing as " will" or " no this, or no that" .

  The best anyone can do is to let the market itself do the talking.

        If we predict to others, then if we are wrong, then there will be a stigma...  Smiley


JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 18:42) Posted:

STI will hit 2550 and then rebound strongly. No recession.
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