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baseerahmed
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12-Oct-2008 16:57
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http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1848055,00.html | ||
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baseerahmed
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12-Oct-2008 16:51
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on one side we have Warren Buffett on the other side we have Monk Ajahn Brahm and we are all in between ... |
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Sporeguy
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12-Oct-2008 16:47
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JJ, his chose a red car could be bcos of his wife or may bcos he is of fire element. It does not matter whether it is a Hyundai or Toyota, as long as he knows what he is doing. | ||
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jackjames
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12-Oct-2008 12:24
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yupe, finally another good interview at The Sunday Times, invest section "Me and my Money".. here come the home owner at 24, sold his house a year ago, holding for 5 years, nett profit of 150K , where is his best investment so far... hmmm... I hope to beat his profit in year 2009... still in various negotion to let go my flat, wish me luck. In addition, he had been collecting rental income from the property, but he didn't disclose which condo he bought in district 10... haiih... what's so secret.. Anyway, he bought Li Heng and Roxy-Pac shares in March, but cut loss with small loss, and he has SMRT shares and sold in 2006 with 100% gain, not bad.. this dude knows what is he doing... but his car is Hyndai and red colour ? yieak. |
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stupidfool
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11-Oct-2008 21:25
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My understanding of winners of nobel prizes is that they have to curry favors with the US.It is just a political thing. Our LKY is not one that does that.He is independent so to say. I rem once upon a time,the western countries placed great value in winning Miss World title.thus year in and year out the whites girls win. Now the western countries got tired of it and thus let the other countries win and they play down the significance of the title. |
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baseerahmed
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11-Oct-2008 21:17
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mmmm.. taking a deep breath ... here goes .. with the latest news of Nobel Prize winners .. thought I chip in a bit ... In Sept 2000, I had faxed a letter to ST Forum suggesting that we get Lee Kuan Yew nominated for a Nobel Prize ... well, as expected , that letter didn't get published ... after all, whom am I ...hahaha ! well , i don't want to elaborate what I had written in, but I suppose fellows of SJ could well guess .. Perhaps, Henry Kissinger could lobby for his friend , or our Tommy Koh, Ambassador-at- Large could do something about it ..... hahaha ! with our 'regular flavour of bashing our govt' ... if I were to go to Speakers Corner to read out the letter .. I could get pleated with tomatoes ... I thought it will be a great sin to waste food on me .... hahaha ! but then again ..maybe .. he is too large for the Nobel Prize ... hahaha ! : ) |
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Quek4T
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05-Oct-2008 23:05
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hmm, guess that we still need to run to a computer/lappy to trade. | ||
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singaporegal
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05-Oct-2008 21:55
Yells: "Female TA nut" |
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I think that mobile trading hasn't really taken off because of the size of the screen on handphones. There's no way you can do proper analysis on a phone.
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Quek4T
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04-Oct-2008 23:55
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hi, anyone has an iphone and can trade online with it? | ||
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baseerahmed
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04-Oct-2008 20:20
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noticed that more than 200 views were made since i posted that article. very glad that it had stirred up some comments. i will be very happy even if one soul found it useful . ------------------------- Sporeguy : for the record ... that article was not written by my friend .. he just copied that from somewhere on the internet and emailed me. with all this talk of bottoming out (?) , i thought it was timely that it arrived and posted it to share with fellow forummers, who might do 'self research and take stock' (to each his level) to prepare for the future ... ------------------------ " You have to study and decide for yourself what is true." " ....these are issues one simply has to deal with somehow. And how one does it is a personal choice." |
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jackjames
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04-Oct-2008 20:19
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weekend still talk about stock meh.. I just watched a movie, Painted Skin, not bad, recommend you guys to watch too ~~ tomorrow will watch the house bunny, ha ha.. |
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iPunter
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04-Oct-2008 19:39
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Long-term trading the same as investment. |
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stupidfool
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04-Oct-2008 19:35
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Car is just a status symbol. 100k with proper investment planning will go a long way.But not sure if one is TRADING. |
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TradeChancellor
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04-Oct-2008 15:58
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Sporeguy, i was contrasting between the implications of buying a car and investing in the stock market. Like what u said, inflation and all will snowball to 100k in 10 years. If you were to plough that amount into the stock market over this time too (of course, must also learn $management, FA / TA etc), you can potentially have gains of a few thousand every year. Lets say about $2000 every year returns and increase slighly every year. But your car will CONFIRM depreciate! Lets say about average $5000 every year!! Contrast: Car - 100K Capital erosion (comfirm car will depreciate) every year, NIL returns. Investin - 100K Capital appreciation (not guranteed, must do homwork b4 buying lah) every year. |
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Sporeguy
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04-Oct-2008 15:31
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I disagreed with Baseer's friend of saving only 10% of his income. My target is 50% (long term investment---leaving about 6 month cash, if one wants to live comfortably when one retires), 25% to housing and 25% household expendicture & education, etc. | ||
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Sporeguy
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04-Oct-2008 13:20
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One young lady who has worked for a year wanted to buy a car --- Toyota Vios. I guide her thro the expenses. Let say she needs to fork out 50k either cash or loan. Adding the interest and inflation, the amount will snowball to 100k in 10 yrs time. let say average it as 50%, that 50k will at least valued 75k. 75k /10yrs = 7500 per yr, ie 625 per month, plus petrol, insurance and maintenance will add up to 1000 per month. I asked her "What is yr salary ?" 2000 per month!. She kept quiet knowing that is not prudent to buy a car which eat up 50 % of her salary. She says it will ok for a couple. So may have to wait for a few yrs. I told her that she can have a car if she earns extra $1000 from moonlighting by giving tuition which she does not want to work to "death" (her words). | ||
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iPunter
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04-Oct-2008 13:13
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Low is high, and high is low... |
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stupidfool
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04-Oct-2008 08:04
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Veteran baseerahmed,that is wat i have been advocating that ppl shd invest long term and NOT think that they can beat the mkt by selling high and buying low. Many ppl think that they can beat the mkt with 20% ROI year on year. |
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baseerahmed
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04-Oct-2008 02:36
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thought i share this article my friend emailed me . sorry if its too long . hope it is a good read for the weekend .... -------------------------------------------------- I decided to make a comment on an important area: money. What I say is very simple, and very basic. But I wish somebody had told it to me many years ago. In five years I have gone from having a crippling debt to having savings that exceed what I once had in debt. It makes sense that if you should take advice about money from somebody, you should take it from somebody who: a) is doing well, and b) is not gaining anything from giving you advice. Not a bank "advisor" (read salesman) who is on office wages and is not allowed to recommend anything but the bank's own services, no matter how overpriced. (Ever wonder why banks own the best buildings on any street?) I have spent some time in the past reading up on various aspects of money, and I feel a lot better about it. And in the end I have discovered that 1: the basics are really simple, and 2: most people don't know them. (I am disappointed that school taught me differential math, but not how to wash a shirt, how to get along with people, or how to manage money...) Here are some of the basics as I see them right now: 1: Live below your means. Obvious? Maybe, but you have to do it. Don't take credit. If you don't have the money you can't afford it yet. 2: Save 10% of your income. Set this aside before you use money on anything else. You'll find you can live on the rest. And if you earn good money, save 20% or 30% instead. 3: Don't use money on anything you don't really need, or which does not give big returns either financially or spiritually. This means for example that significant alcohol or tobacco consumption is a dead loss. Or things you buy just for status. Wealth is not defined as the size of your car, but as how long you could live without income if you had to, at your current life style. 4: Earn your money on something you love. Your love and interest are the strongest forces you have. 5: Prioritize your time. Example: get rid of the TV. (You'll feel better too.) 6: The money you don't need right now, put in the best savings account you can find. Some of the best are online, not in your local bank. The Motley Fool web site is good for shopping around. 7: The money you won't need for many years, put in Index Funds. Many independent studies show that index funds (index trackers) (due in part to low charges/fees) do significantly better than both bonds and savings accounts and most mutual funds, over any long period of time you want to choose in history. Real estate can do well, but might not, and takes a lot more attention. Take note that even index funds can crash for a while. 8: Occasionally, give something back to the world. We don't live in a vacuum. 9: Occasionally, invest in something fun. One can go overboard with frugality: why die with millions in the bank, a frown, and an ulcer? The first goal for many would be to become debt free. The second goal is to have reserves for one year of your current life-style without income. (Known as f**k-U money, because of what you can say to an abusive boss.) The third goal is the point where the returns from your investments are bigger than your expenses. At that point you will never again have to work with anything that does not interest you. But this point is not important and may not be realistic to reach for most people. I have now rounded off a couple of years of occasionally studying personal economy, how to get money and how to handle them. I was occasionally afraid of becoming a money-motivated person, but the study was necessary for the simple reason that they don't teach these essential subjects in school. (I am sure that if teachers did teach kids to save up, the teachers would be shot on sight, because the big financial institutions (as well as the short term economic health of the system) depends on spending and an indebted population.) One thing I have learned is that beyond the basics outlined above (and even those you can find plenty of controversy about), nobody agrees on anything. Just when I thought I had something pinned down, in the next book I read they would say the opposite. What does this mean? It means that you are on your own, buddy. You have to study and decide for yourself what is true. Furthermore, if you hope to do really well with money, you have to keep at it. You have to know a lot, and you have to know what is going on all the time. Just one example: it has become clear to me that while one might do well investing in individual stocks, it takes a hell of a lot of knowledge and work to do so. And even the experts regularly make huge mistakes. (70% of managed mutual funds do worse than the overall market!) Honestly, I had hoped to get to a point where I could do well investing without a lot of continued study and worry. But I have not found that point, and I don't think I will. And since 1) I don't have nerves of steel and 2) I really am not very interested in money, I have decided it is not really worth it for me. The attention I have to put on it has to come from somewhere. And I would rather put that attention on where I like to have it: on production, and on art, philosophy and spirituality. I suspect even economically that will pay off better for me, not to mention spiritually and emotionally. Even the best solution I have found in investing, index funds, would take my attention. Because when the market as a whole goes down, I would lose money. And while historically it has paid off on an average, there has been periodes where it took many, many years for the money to even come out even. (The 1930s and the 1970s.) And it is just not worth it for me. So I have pulled out and just gone to the best savings accounts I could find. (And it pays to shop around.) (And it might not hurt to diversify here also, even though these are supposedly 100% safe. Use a couple of different institutions, and get some gold too.) Even this took a little bit of courage: what if the stocks I didn't buy go up? That is a missed opportunity. There is just no way one can be certain. One has to make a choice. And my choice personally is to make as much money as I can without working more than I like, and live well beneath my means, and put my surplus in the best savings account I can, and forget about it, and concentrate on my work and my life. And also, while I have no scruples being a capitalist (making money from money), I still consider it more interesting to make money from actual production and value, so that is where I will put my attention. When people tell you that you should expect double-digit returns on your investments, don't believe them. Anytime you get above maybe five percent (and that's before inflation), you get into risky waters. If you like risk, that's fine, but you must be aware that you're taking it on. One must realize that THE ECONOMY CAN'T GROW TEN PERCENT PER YEAR. If it does, there's some kind of bubble. Why? Because money is based on real products, and the overall system of factories, transport methods, workers, education, etc, just can't grow that fast. In other words, unless you're a gambler, you'll just have to face that a couple percent per year above inflation is all you will get at best. Those "the miracle of compound interest" calculations based on ten percent are BS. After a while I just settled down knowing that. Don't feel obligated to give or lend your money to anybody. It is a pleasure to help and it has healing power to reach out to others, but only if it is voluntary. Unless one inherits great wealth, these are issues one simply has to deal with somehow. And how one does it is a personal choice. |
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CWQuah
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02-Oct-2008 16:15
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_fe_st/odd_cheap_home The state of the housing market in US. To think a house can be bought for less than the price of a plate of nasi lemak. |
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