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14-Jun-2011 10:26     
 
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After keep buying from 4+ to 2+, now you tell others not to buy until end of Jun??? You change very fast....

capland      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:22) Posted:

my advise- don trade now till end of june or early july...by then 1) debt ceiling in US will have clearer picture 2) China will announce their position in the rest of 2011, then u decide .....Do not foloow me- cos i have 1) ample funds to baffer 2) holding power 3) risk tolerance, and most of all thick skin to withstand critisism from ah wah and gangs.. i will not be " shaken" by their shorters views...the longer u hold, the lesser risk u will encountered....
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14-Jun-2011 10:23     
 
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Mr Fool, at your age why do you still want to lie and badmouth others....  The reason you want to win is because you want others to believe in you and follow you.... When it is 4+, you say it is no way to see 3.50, but now 2.8x..... You give so many wrong advice yet still want to win.... No one is always right. If I am wrong I cut to admit I am wrong.... But you.... change to " keep buying" method, instead of admit wrong...You will do anything to make yourself sound correct.... Enjoy... lol

 

capland      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:12) Posted:

good explanantion. but u had not short in the ist place, where and how u profit????  hahhahahahah- remember ur denial when asker whether u short at 3? nebermind la, a lair is forever a liar,,,just to prove u are clever....yesterday  i bought 6066 with 100 big and 100 small, u know,,  but it came out 1st price le....hahaha....tcss..anyway..going at 2.84 today..for a small lots...to support cpl and if one to observe the trading position yesterday, 1) trading is done by big traders who short in the morning (2.84) and covered as fast in the evening (2.90) 2) CPL ( investment department) has trying to accumulate their stocks..3) BB funds are also buying ...look at daily volume-- in fact there is no " real" seller in the market....illustion they had breated...so my advise is --be patient till it drop or rise--a clearer picture will be shown...and don listen to me  and others...reseach and study on yr own--no one will responsible for yr trade...and also too many liar in this forum (ah wah). so " careful" ...those interested can inbox me...

Isolator      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:03) Posted:

Mr Fool, price dont go down in straight line.... There will be most likely a technical rebound anytime soon  which will allow me to short at high... If there is no rebound, I will wait for entry point...  Bear in mind, any 1 bid gain already profit unlike your normal account....
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 Alert Admin 		my advise- don trade now till end of june or early july...by then 1) debt ceiling in US will have clearer picture 2) China will announce their position in the rest of 2011, then u decide .....Do not foloow me- cos i have 1) ample funds to baffer 2) holding power 3) risk tolerance, and most of all thick skin to withstand critisism from ah wah and gangs.. i will not be " shaken" by their shorters views...the longer u hold, the lesser risk u will encountered....
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14-Jun-2011 10:20     
 
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Hahaha...

    There is in fact a whole wide spectrum of players in between... Smiley
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14-Jun-2011 10:16     
 
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Is there a position in between a trader and investor?

ie I have a bit of $$$, I can read charts ,hold medium term, earn dividend $ to play next round, and yet respect the market ? 

pasttime      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:12) Posted:



enjoying the show between the investor and trader.

  basically the trader trades for a living. ie they work for their money and primary tool is chart.

do not know if chart is true but chart synchronised the direction of traders. Hence it is looks most of the time correct.

 

Investors are those with lots of mula. they buy hens that lay golden eggs. no need to be border with day to day/ week to week or month to month movement.

the dividend will provide the new cash flow for the next round of buy.


basically buy stock with a good prospect future at good price and hold until fundamental change or when better return options appear. to them time like these are good time to add position but only when is the lowest. let the taders shoot it down until cannot go down any more.

some investors are first bold then become shaky about their investment. when the price got shot down one got worry and may sell when the pain becomes too much. normally this is also the start of a new bull. because many a times one sell then find the price going up. 

this round of drop is more like big houses selling at first. but noone to absorb the vol.


so how low can it go? until you sell that will be the lowest.

  on fundamentals.

  for stock like capital land. they made two type of manee.  trade difference and price difference.  so if vol goes up they made good manee as vol x trade diff eq more profit. so garment release lots of land is good for developer as it means more land to develop. problem is: is there a demand?


  price diff is when price goes up/down. long term results of that is slightly profit bias as property prices tend to goes up. (inflation effect, demographic change effect) some rich people/co just buy land and hold as oppose to holding cash.


so in the end both traders and investors are right. just that they are right on different time period. bulls win bear wins and pig got slaughter.
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 Alert Admin 		even at 0.50, i think mr liew and temasek, will announce delist lao, as they can buy back cheaper than their nav....like " allgreen" ,.....next coming might be " SC Gobal" i think....it should worth more than its portfolio value....don take my words...just my own analsis....if to confirm further, check their daily volume- it seems unusual movement- maybe coming soon.,....who knows, u may end up richer..

Riskless      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:07) Posted:



let it drop to 50cents please....capland will buy all share and become largest shareholder and be the  chairman. Isolator will be counting his money at home.

Both will be happy.
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14-Jun-2011 10:13     
 
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 Alert Admin 		Only Market has the say only.... We  need to be open minded to read the markets mind... and try not to go against it....If  found against it must apologise to market and  immediately follow it... lol
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enjoying the show between the investor and trader.

  basically the trader trades for a living. ie they work for their money and primary tool is chart.

do not know if chart is true but chart synchronised the direction of traders. Hence it is looks most of the time correct.

 

Investors are those with lots of mula. they buy hens that lay golden eggs. no need to be border with day to day/ week to week or month to month movement.

the dividend will provide the new cash flow for the next round of buy.


basically buy stock with a good prospect future at good price and hold until fundamental change or when better return options appear. to them time like these are good time to add position but only when is the lowest. let the taders shoot it down until cannot go down any more.

some investors are first bold then become shaky about their investment. when the price got shot down one got worry and may sell when the pain becomes too much. normally this is also the start of a new bull. because many a times one sell then find the price going up. 

this round of drop is more like big houses selling at first. but noone to absorb the vol.


so how low can it go? until you sell that will be the lowest.

  on fundamentals.

  for stock like capital land. they made two type of manee.  trade difference and price difference.  so if vol goes up they made good manee as vol x trade diff eq more profit. so garment release lots of land is good for developer as it means more land to develop. problem is: is there a demand?


  price diff is when price goes up/down. long term results of that is slightly profit bias as property prices tend to goes up. (inflation effect, demographic change effect) some rich people/co just buy land and hold as oppose to holding cash.


so in the end both traders and investors are right. just that they are right on different time period. bulls win bear wins and pig got slaughter.
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 Alert Admin 		good explanantion. but u had not short in the ist place, where and how u profit????  hahhahahahah- remember ur denial when asker whether u short at 3? nebermind la, a lair is forever a liar,,,just to prove u are clever....yesterday  i bought 6066 with 100 big and 100 small, u know,,  but it came out 1st price le....hahaha....tcss..anyway..going at 2.84 today..for a small lots...to support cpl and if one to observe the trading position yesterday, 1) trading is done by big traders who short in the morning (2.84) and covered as fast in the evening (2.90) 2) CPL ( investment department) has trying to accumulate their stocks..3) BB funds are also buying ...look at daily volume-- in fact there is no " real" seller in the market....illustion they had breated...so my advise is --be patient till it drop or rise--a clearer picture will be shown...and don listen to me  and others...reseach and study on yr own--no one will responsible for yr trade...and also too many liar in this forum (ah wah). so " careful" ...those interested can inbox me...

Isolator      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 10:03) Posted:

Mr Fool, price dont go down in straight line.... There will be most likely a technical rebound anytime soon  which will allow me to short at high... If there is no rebound, I will wait for entry point...  Bear in mind, any 1 bid gain already profit unlike your normal account....

capland      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:52) Posted:

i admit i am no good in trading, necos i don trade- investor like myself do not trade, waste of money, going in and out...if one were to add up their commision , u will be shocked to see, that the " sum" can buy u lots of things... further, not every trade ah wah makes money....investors save alot on commission, cos only 2 trades invole- buy wait.......then sell......so realise more money...somemore...no interest, and even better i can borrow to bokerage firm for a fee, as they need our scripts to " lend: to traders to " short or long" ....investing is fun- not because of daily movement, becos of the counter we invest in- can  1) bring good dividend 2) capital appreciation...thats why traders always " hate: us, cos we don short , and so don help them at all. they could not get our money...ahahahaha...anyway,, ah wah, u have not tell us why u closed yr account? since u can predict iot is going to 2.50? don confused others le... many are questioning themselves why u choose tio closed? is it price is rebounding soon
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14-Jun-2011 10:07     
 
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let it drop to 50cents please....capland will buy all share and become largest shareholder and be the  chairman. Isolator will be counting his money at home.

Both will be happy.
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 Alert Admin 		lets others be a judge-- who is the one badmounth others. calling others " pigs" " fools" " frogs in the well" ........u had closed yr position is what u posted yesterday...and u are also the one who say that the price will soon drop to 2.50...these are all posted in yr thread...till now, i did nothing to badmounth anyone, find a thread i did so. i will apologise, as a gentleman...u le, have u? still got cheek to say others badmouth u...like a silly kid, did wrong and then complain to teacher that orthers " bully" him..ahahaah....i just used yr past thread to " remind" yr position....from the very start, i already knew that u in fact not in position at 3.00, and i knew for sure u will said that u will " short" when the price hit under....and when price recovered to 2.90- knew before hand that he will said u " closed" .....now under 2.90, i swear u will " short" ....this tactic :used" by many lao...esp in casinos--- many innocent gamblers always " followed" the one telling him to bet " bankers" but when it turn out " player" , then the poor chap realised that actually the one advised him earlier actually never bet at all.....ahahahah. cos i am the " silly" one, and i learnt this lesson foreveer, never listen to others, reseach and be confident...stick to my own principle..and used capital wisely- never commit at 1 go, buy into stages...

Isolator      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:49) Posted:

Mr Fool, one thing I do not like about you is... You will do any dirty tricks to lie and badmouth anyone in order to win and show others you are the best....  Use a mirror and search your soul....  lol
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Trading does not mean going in and out frequently.

      A trader buys and sells intelligently at strategic intervals.

            Good and profitable traders only trade infrequently.  Smiley


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 Alert Admin 		Mr Fool, price dont go down in straight line.... There will be most likely a technical rebound anytime soon  which will allow me to short at high... If there is no rebound, I will wait for entry point...  Bear in mind, any 1 bid gain already profit unlike your normal account....

capland      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:52) Posted:

i admit i am no good in trading, necos i don trade- investor like myself do not trade, waste of money, going in and out...if one were to add up their commision , u will be shocked to see, that the " sum" can buy u lots of things... further, not every trade ah wah makes money....investors save alot on commission, cos only 2 trades invole- buy wait.......then sell......so realise more money...somemore...no interest, and even better i can borrow to bokerage firm for a fee, as they need our scripts to " lend: to traders to " short or long" ....investing is fun- not because of daily movement, becos of the counter we invest in- can  1) bring good dividend 2) capital appreciation...thats why traders always " hate: us, cos we don short , and so don help them at all. they could not get our money...ahahahaha...anyway,, ah wah, u have not tell us why u closed yr account? since u can predict iot is going to 2.50? don confused others le... many are questioning themselves why u choose tio closed? is it price is rebounding soon?

Isolator      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:38) Posted:

Mr Fool, when you are confuse, it mean you know nothing about trading.... Then please do not comment on traders like you are master.... Empty vase make the most noise.... Really dont understand why you want to make a fool of yourself.... lo
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14-Jun-2011 09:54     
 
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Absolutely,

if I am very good holder, my plot might be hindered by other traders in the game...

hence affecting the outcome of the game ...


iPunter      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:48) Posted:



The stock market is made up of holders AND traders.

              This alone makes the market good...  Smiley  


muifan      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:40) Posted:



These 2 master sifu 's exchange of views ( capland - isolator ) has allowed me to see 2 style of tackling the stock market,

and in turn how people perceive the stock market especially capland sifu's PRINCIPLES behind his averaging down theory ...

ie: FUNDS MANAGER's WORST ENEMY IS LONG TERM INVESTOR 

 

 


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 Alert Admin 		i admit i am no good in trading, necos i don trade- investor like myself do not trade, waste of money, going in and out...if one were to add up their commision , u will be shocked to see, that the " sum" can buy u lots of things... further, not every trade ah wah makes money....investors save alot on commission, cos only 2 trades invole- buy wait.......then sell......so realise more money...somemore...no interest, and even better i can borrow to bokerage firm for a fee, as they need our scripts to " lend: to traders to " short or long" ....investing is fun- not because of daily movement, becos of the counter we invest in- can  1) bring good dividend 2) capital appreciation...thats why traders always " hate: us, cos we don short , and so don help them at all. they could not get our money...ahahahaha...anyway,, ah wah, u have not tell us why u closed yr account? since u can predict iot is going to 2.50? don confused others le... many are questioning themselves why u choose tio closed? is it price is rebounding soon?

Isolator      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:38) Posted:

Mr Fool, when you are confuse, it mean you know nothing about trading.... Then please do not comment on traders like you are master.... Empty vase make the most noise.... Really dont understand why you want to make a fool of yourself.... lol

capland      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:35) Posted:

then why u closed yr position yesterday, since u know it ia going down?????? confused lao....
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some facts

Year    2009                  2011


NTA   303                      322

Low    170                      180[I predict]
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 Alert Admin 		Mr Fool, one thing I do not like about you is... You will do any dirty tricks to lie and badmouth anyone in order to win and show others you are the best....  Use a mirror and search your soul....  lol
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              This alone makes the market good...  Smiley  


muifan      ( Date: 14-Jun-2011 09:40) Posted:



These 2 master sifu 's exchange of views ( capland - isolator ) has allowed me to see 2 style of tackling the stock market,

and in turn how people perceive the stock market especially capland sifu's PRINCIPLES behind his averaging down theory ...

ie: FUNDS MANAGER's WORST ENEMY IS LONG TERM INVESTOR 

 

 

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 Alert Admin 		ah wah, try to " lie" again....ah....have already told u yr pattern... i am sure " now" u again shorted this counter , right??????  hahhahaha. " roti praata" everyday, find something refresh

Isolator      ( Date: 13-Jun-2011 16:31) Posted:



Mr Fool, just to inform you, I have closed all my position in CPL. No position now... 

Can you share with us enter at 2.90, what will be your exit price and timeframe?
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These 2 master sifu 's exchange of views ( capland - isolator ) has allowed me to see 2 style of tackling the stock market,

and in turn how people perceive the stock market especially capland sifu's PRINCIPLES behind his averaging down theory ...

ie: FUNDS MANAGER's WORST ENEMY IS LONG TERM INVESTOR 

 

 
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