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Hi Risktaker, these activities actually sucks the market of its funds (money), mostly belonging to the smallplayers. I agree with you that it is not easy to prove that they are wrong doing because so long as the trades are not considered wash trades (meaning same account both buyer and seller at same price), the watchdog cannot bark at the people involved who are engaged in this kind of sucking money from the investors. However, because this kind of strategies can meet with disaster when there is another stronger team also at play in the same counter. Like you want to push down because you are nett short, I want to push up because my side is nett long, and if I am stronger, I can whack you and your team and eventually your house will suffer big losses.  Eventually your company stockholders suffers as much as the players of shares.

One of the reasons why some banks failed is these kind of manipulation because when they are net short, they dump all their nominee shares held with them in order to win and should things turn against them, eg, announcement and news, then they will face the same fate as lehman, and ML and BSterns and Barings and many others.  Watchdog should have the IQ to understand all these.
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15-Sep-2009 14:02     
 
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Wow this manipulation is worst than horse racing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, this manipulaion is worst or similar to horse racing

 

 

 

 

 
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15-Sep-2009 13:44     
 
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9:05am Person ABC Throw 20000 lots in Sell queue on Genting  @  $1.12

9:05am Person AAA Queue 12000 lots in buy Queue on Genting @  $1.11

9:06am Person ABC will Short Sell 10000 thousand lots in a few transaction and Person AAA will withdraw its queue immediately.

9:06am Genting Price   Buy $1.10 - Sell $1.11 @ Person ABC Throw 20000 lots in Sell queue.

9:06am Where ABC already queue 10000 lots @ buy. Person AAA will start selling down the 10000 lots @ buy queue. at this time the market will be panic weak holders will join in selling and other smaller BB will join in.

The buy account will support the price till $1.04 - 1.07. It will start accumulate shares @ this level. Around $1.05 mostly. Bringing down its average share price to around $1.06

Soon The covering of shorts will start @ 1.06 - $ 1.09 where both of them will both earn an average of 2 cents for 40000 - 60000 lots each. looking at 6 digit profit.

It could cont next day if BB still have stocks in its hand to off load.

This is a scenario where there is only 2 BB involved but it is not the case in actual trading more BBs are involved and more complications in the trade.

Against the law or not. Well .... no comment. But without these people your stocks can stuck there forever as normal players will never able to push the price up.




keepnosecrets      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:54) Posted:

Thks, Risktaker for elaborating on this.  Surface wise it is just some strategies, but it is obviously against our laws to have this kind of activites, I supposed.

risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 11:55) Posted:



I share with you guys 1 time only ok :) PT = Proprietary trader are firm's traders which they actively trade stocks using house money (Sharing profit & lost with the firm) are the Real Big Boys behind all the movement of stocks. ( You seen prices of share @ opening & closing @ many times higher than the actual stock price ? These are the work of PT )

 

BB = including big time remisiers, Margin Players, Syndicates, and big Private retail gamblers. Ok give you 1 simple case study. ABC is PT trader in X1 firm. AAA is PT trader in X2 firm.

They are both friends working in different company but they will someone meet up after work to discuss the plan for tomorrow :)

Code sign to sell, buy, hold, Shorting and the list of target stocks for tomorrow game plan. I cannot go into further details of that hope you understand.

 

Anyway one of them will be Shorter and 1 of the buyer.

 

0830 - 08:59 Pre - Trading. By this time they already know which stocks to enter.

 

Usually when the market sentiments are bad. The Short account will start shorting. They usually will create a strong selling presence in the stock they targeted. In this case ABC is shorter. ABC decided to throw a huge road block of 2000 lots on the sell queue. There comes the selling pressure when he off loaded huge amount of stocks like 1000 - 2000 to buy account.

Letting the share price falls other weaker holders (Contra players) will started to sell where the AAA account will buy up more shares at lower price. Thus averaging down its holder share price.

Once AAA account has hold enough amount of shares. The Short account will started to cover its position therefore pushing up the price. It will eat up fast covering most of its short at a lower price so ABC can make a profit. (Sell high buy Low)


AAA will make a profit because he is selling its shares at a higher price as ABC is covering its short position.(Buy Low Sell High)


At least 10-15% of the volume will be sold to retail players as they chase the price. Soon after the share didnt move :)

Many will wonder why .... so much volume leh but it falls or didnt move at all. Because you are the last man holding the ball ; all shares have been covered and BB already exit. Usually all these trades are done Intraday - All done in 1 day.

This is just 1 small simple example. Trading has much more tricks than this. Good luck. I might reveal more .... maybe


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15-Sep-2009 13:28     
 
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Dealer gauge is 85% below $1.

Only 15% possibility above $1.

See how things goes.

Cheers.

 



teeth53      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:25) Posted:

Sept 17, 009 (Thursday) after 17:05:00 hours, most of us will know by then. after today, 2 days more to wait, me tink tink is.......... 

dealer0168      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:21) Posted:

Emm we will know, let just monitor.

 

*Sometimes: Ren Shuang Bu Ru Tian Shuang.

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 Alert Admin 		teeth53      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:04) Posted:

B'cos of this....Today is the day to buy, buy and buy B4 Ex-Right....... and sell, sel and sell on the day morning of Ex-right (Friday Morning for short term gain). Pls take note: volume is low


teeth53      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:25) Posted:

Sept 17, 009 (Thursday) after 17:05:00 hours, most of us will know by then. after today, 2 days more to wait, me tink tink is.......... 

dealer0168      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:21) Posted:

Emm we will know, let just monitor.

 

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 Alert Admin 		Sept 17, 009 (Thursday) after 17:05:00 hours, most of us will know by then. after today, 2 days more to wait, me tink tink is.......... 

dealer0168      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:21) Posted:

Emm we will know, let just monitor.

 

*Sometimes: Ren Shuang Bu Ru Tian Shuang.

Cheers.



risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:25) Posted:

meant to say below. Will not go below $1.00


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Emm we will know, let just monitor.

 

*Sometimes: Ren Shuang Bu Ru Tian Shuang.

Cheers.



risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:25) Posted:

meant to say below. Will not go below $1.00

risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:24) Posted:

XR is $1.00 will not go beyond that :) BTW DJ went up this morning, damn good guess haha. 


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15-Sep-2009 13:19     
 
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 Alert Admin 		The day on 1st day of Ex-right morning, there will be heavy selling / buying and price fall B4 recovering up. BBs Vs BBs small boy Vs small boys, Shortist Vs longist Inhouse trader Vs day speculators and so on...........Happy trading...Ya.

teeth53      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:04) Posted:

Today is the day to buy, buy and buy B4 Ex-Right....... and sell, sel and sell on the day morning of Ex-right (Friday Morning for short term gain). Pls take note: volume is low

Last Trades Volume Bid Volume Mid Ask Volume
1.050 240 5,783,000 5,783,000 0 0
1.055 1 400,000 0 400,000 0
1.060 459 26,405,000 6,810,000 0 19,595,000
1.070 155 12,448,000 1,828,000 0 10,620,000
1.080 44 744,000 0 0 744,000
TOTAL 899 45,780,000 14,421,000 400,000 30,959,000



teeth53      ( Date: 11-Sep-2009 20:14) Posted:

Those who wish to own more share, best is to buy 3 day B4 x-Rights date and sell it 18 Sept early morning. just my guess oni hohh...Don't search me...Hehehe Ching Ho liao. can make kopi money lohh.
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15-Sep-2009 13:13     
 
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Big boys oso can sobo Big boys, see oni who got more $$$ to support at $1.14ct, at $1.10 and at $1.06ct.

This is free market and it has to fall back a little after been push up



teeth53      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:59) Posted:



Dilution of shares, too many BBs Vs BBs, prices has been push up just uncomfort for truth value, just for only this right issue, price is been play up, now prices have to come down alittle, so as a result

The day B4 (halted) day one after setting prices at $1.19ct.

Day one after it closed at $1.14ct

Day two it closed at $1.10 ct and 

Day three it closed at $1.06 ct, and now it trade on a narrow band wave.

$1.05ct to $1.08ct, settling at $1.08ct +0.020ct

 
Genting SP CR 1.060 1.080 +0.020 +1.9 45,780,000 1,000 1.180 1.070 6,400,000 1.080 1.050 R

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1.060 459 26,405,000 6,810,000 0 19,595,000
and $1.05ct still got some kopi money to collect, just my guess oni hohh..Don't search me...Ya

jonathant      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 13:04) Posted:



seems support is at 1.05?....... a quick glance:

Closing Price, on Thurs the 17

Theoritically, on this Fri the 18

 

if it is

XR Price/opening price will be

Round Up

1.05

1.008

1.01

1.06

1.017

1.02

1.07

1.025

1.03

1.08

1.033

1.03

1.09

1.042

1.04

1.10

1.05

1.05

1.11

1.058

1.06

1.12

1.067

1.07

1.13

1.075

1.08

1.14

1.083

1.08

1.15

1.092

1.09



 

 
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Today is the day to buy, buy and buy B4 Ex-Right....... and sell, sel and sell on the day morning of Ex-right (Friday Morning for short term gain). Pls take note: volume is low

Last Trades Volume Bid Volume Mid Ask Volume
1.050 240 5,783,000 5,783,000 0 0
1.055 1 400,000 0 400,000 0
1.060 459 26,405,000 6,810,000 0 19,595,000
1.070 155 12,448,000 1,828,000 0 10,620,000
1.080 44 744,000 0 0 744,000
TOTAL 899 45,780,000 14,421,000 400,000 30,959,000



teeth53      ( Date: 11-Sep-2009 20:14) Posted:

Those who wish to own more share, best is to buy 3 day B4 x-Rights date and sell it 18 Sept early morning. just my guess oni hohh...Don't search me...Hehehe Ching Ho liao. can make kopi money lohh.
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seems support is at 1.05?....... a quick glance:

Closing Price, on Thurs the 17

Theoritically, on this Fri the 18

 

if it is

XR Price/opening price will be

Round Up

1.05

1.008

1.01

1.06

1.017

1.02

1.07

1.025

1.03

1.08

1.033

1.03

1.09

1.042

1.04

1.10

1.05

1.05

1.11

1.058

1.06

1.12

1.067

1.07

1.13

1.075

1.08

1.14

1.083

1.08

1.15

1.092

1.09



 

 

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Dilution of shares, too many BBs Vs BBs, prices has been push up just uncomfort for truth value, just for only this right issue, price is been play up, now prices have to come down alittle, so as a result

The day B4 (halted) day one after setting prices at $1.19ct.

Day one after it closed at $1.14ct

Day two it closed at $1.10 ct and 

Day three it closed at $1.06 ct, and now it trade on a narrow band wave.

$1.05ct to $1.08ct, settling at $1.08ct +0.020ct

 
Genting SP CR 1.060 1.080 +0.020 +1.9 45,780,000 1,000 1.180 1.070 6,400,000 1.080 1.050 R
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 Alert Admin 		Thks, Risktaker for elaborating on this.  Surface wise it is just some strategies, but it is obviously against our laws to have this kind of activites, I supposed.

risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 11:55) Posted:



I share with you guys 1 time only ok :) PT = Proprietary trader are firm's traders which they actively trade stocks using house money (Sharing profit & lost with the firm) are the Real Big Boys behind all the movement of stocks. ( You seen prices of share @ opening & closing @ many times higher than the actual stock price ? These are the work of PT )

 

BB = including big time remisiers, Margin Players, Syndicates, and big Private retail gamblers. Ok give you 1 simple case study. ABC is PT trader in X1 firm. AAA is PT trader in X2 firm.

They are both friends working in different company but they will someone meet up after work to discuss the plan for tomorrow :)

Code sign to sell, buy, hold, Shorting and the list of target stocks for tomorrow game plan. I cannot go into further details of that hope you understand.

 

Anyway one of them will be Shorter and 1 of the buyer.

 

0830 - 08:59 Pre - Trading. By this time they already know which stocks to enter.

 

Usually when the market sentiments are bad. The Short account will start shorting. They usually will create a strong selling presence in the stock they targeted. In this case ABC is shorter. ABC decided to throw a huge road block of 2000 lots on the sell queue. There comes the selling pressure when he off loaded huge amount of stocks like 1000 - 2000 to buy account.

Letting the share price falls other weaker holders (Contra players) will started to sell where the AAA account will buy up more shares at lower price. Thus averaging down its holder share price.

Once AAA account has hold enough amount of shares. The Short account will started to cover its position therefore pushing up the price. It will eat up fast covering most of its short at a lower price so ABC can make a profit. (Sell high buy Low)


AAA will make a profit because he is selling its shares at a higher price as ABC is covering its short position.(Buy Low Sell High)


At least 10-15% of the volume will be sold to retail players as they chase the price. Soon after the share didnt move :)

Many will wonder why .... so much volume leh but it falls or didnt move at all. Because you are the last man holding the ball ; all shares have been covered and BB already exit. Usually all these trades are done Intraday - All done in 1 day.

This is just 1 small simple example. Trading has much more tricks than this. Good luck. I might reveal more .... maybe

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 Alert Admin 		meant to say below. Will not go below $1.00

risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:24) Posted:

XR is $1.00 will not go beyond that :) BTW DJ went up this morning, damn good guess haha. 

dealer0168      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:18) Posted:

This value should be after XR. And after the nil-paid right duration. I thk now not possible.

No one will pay for this value now. 
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 Alert Admin 		XR is $1.00 will not go beyond that :) BTW DJ went up this morning, damn good guess haha. 

dealer0168      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:18) Posted:

This value should be after XR. And after the nil-paid right duration. I thk now not possible.

No one will pay for this value now. 



risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:15) Posted:



I support Genting all the way.

HUAT ah :) 8888

 

TP: $1.60 - 2.0
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This value should be after XR. And after the nil-paid right duration. I thk now not possible.

No one will pay for this value now. 



risktaker      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 12:15) Posted:



I support Genting all the way.

HUAT ah :) 8888

 

TP: $1.60 - 2.0
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Guess when XR, Genting SP value should be around 0.90 to 0.95 by the rate it is going.

 

 
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I support Genting all the way.

HUAT ah :) 8888

 

TP: $1.60 - 2.0
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 Alert Admin 		By the way, it is your country pilar business services sector the government hope for I suppose. Singapore won't be able to grow fast without this unique services sector I presume. Somehow, this unique industrial services sector should be made successful in whatever effort for uniquely Singapore, let us support Genting SP........ Ha. ha.. ha...

iPunter      ( Date: 15-Sep-2009 09:52) Posted:



The rights' 'strike' is .8...

Buying at that price should be good deal, but it is even possible for it to go below .8 too...

 ie. If the market 'double bottom' comes to pass later... Smiley

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