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Farmer
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18-Mar-2008 20:28
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Thx for the update! Yes, their the problem they may face is only potential not imminent and it's already factor into its current share price. Let's continue to hold till the cow comes home and buy more if necessary. But stay alert on any undesirable outcome of the current financial woes. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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soloman
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18-Mar-2008 19:47
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The stock is fundamentally OK The rumours feed into the stock price already As the rumours are out already, it is getting more difficult short this one |
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soloman
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18-Mar-2008 19:40
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Hi Farmer since you asked : I bought some at 60 cts . I will buy same amt again 1 or 2 mths from now to even out at whatever if the price is lower As they say , I will keep for next 1 to 3 yrs |
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Farmer
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18-Mar-2008 10:45
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Yes, a cordial way of posting opinion is indeed commendable here. That's why I keep coming back for more to share / inform. Oops! looks like BBs starts to Q to sell again. They wanna force down the price some more for another "margin call" again? Soloman senior, what's your stake now? Hold/dump the horse?...hihi, just wanna know your opinion cause I'm vested some. |
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iPunter
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18-Mar-2008 08:59
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You are right... :) |
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Fairygal
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18-Mar-2008 08:57
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Another question: Allco listed in Australia - the price of the counter went down by a lot. What will happen to the Allco listed on SGX if the parent company goes into trouble? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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shplayer
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18-Mar-2008 08:53
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I think the postings in this thread is very commendable........forumers post differring opinions/information without getting personnal against those with a divergent view. This way, readers can get a more balanced view and make investment decisions accordingly. Another announcement today http://info.sgx.com/webcorannc.nsf/ef3ba6cb188613ea482571b2003641d3/0ebe83e368eb145a4825740f0082d638?OpenDocument ps - aoeuidht, if you cut and paste the website page, you can automatically create a link in your post |
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Farmer
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17-Mar-2008 22:39
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Thx for the infos, aoeuidht! When something is too good to be true, it probably is..... at ~19% divd yield is it really too good to be true. Well, if the current crisis continue to drag on for months to come, I believe not only this counter, but many other reits too will face "margin calls" too. This break some light as to why recently, BBs are selling reits in a big way even below their NAV. I guess ultimately, investors will have to make their own choices and bite the bullet! |
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aoeuidht
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17-Mar-2008 21:20
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see: http://www.investmentmoats.com/investment-ideas/babcock-and-brown-structured-finances-response/ |
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aoeuidht
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17-Mar-2008 21:12
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23370961-643,00.html Adele Ferguson | March 14, 2008 THE
Australian arm of a US broking house has been circulating a note that
clearly indicates that local stock Babcock & Brown was financially
vulnerable, at a time when investors appear to have been short selling
Babcock shares.
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aoeuidht
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17-Mar-2008 21:08
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CDO is abbrev for Collateralized Debt Obligation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collateralized_debt_obligation The problem is that it is not isolated to CDO-based on US housing. The problem is that it is increasingly hard for the wholesalers to sell these type of paper - based on this type of math & packaging. The market makers are going for $2 per share. CLO(Collaterized Loan Obligation.) is a type of CDO. Do your own research (google it!) - understand what you are buying. Do NOT take the word of the salesman(even if title is CEO) at face value. BBSF did not buy CDO/CLO paper backed by US home LOANs but last I looked there were ABS etc. Hence it is falling. Why did Northern Rock in UK sink? They were not in the US subprime mkt? Do you understand how northern rock collapsed? http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23370961-643,00.html The mkt maybe being too risk adverse and mis-pricing these... but that's a different problem. Note their recent guidance on moving out of certain type of securities. Note news from option trades show Lehman in facing potential issues. If you have the share... take the time to truly understand if these fit you. |
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soloman
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17-Mar-2008 20:42
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BBSFF yield is double that of some of the REITS !! Too good to be true Good for retirement Don't sell if you make a loss |
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soloman
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17-Mar-2008 19:32
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BBSF is short sold/sold by those banks/brokerages that are related to sub prime mess That,s why the price drops from 93 cts to 60 cts If you have the share - do not sell This dividend alone will save your losses if you hold |
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Fairygal
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17-Mar-2008 17:36
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Yep, that's what I understand as well: they had clarified that they are not vested in CDOs. Still, with the weaker greenback and other factors, the are not immuned. That's why the lower divvy guidance. It is of higher yield compared to many others though. My investment in this counter has fallen by 1/3. However, most counters are down by a fraction too. Look at SGX and YZJ, well, at least the divvy I got from BBRF is one consolation. I am in BBRF for long term. |
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Farmer
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17-Mar-2008 12:13
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As far as i can understand....they are NOT vested in any CDOs as their mgmt had clarified last year but on CLOs. Though they're involve in mortgage loan in Australia/UK in certain % of the portfolio but not any in the US. But to be fair, still, they're not immune to the current credit crisis as they've stated during their Q result announcement, but its the risk investors will have to bear consider its attractive yield right now if materialize. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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aoeuidht
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17-Mar-2008 11:36
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they are vested in CDOs. The poison that sank Bear Stearns from $70 -> $2 almost overnight. willing buyer... willing seller -> buyer beware. |
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Farmer
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17-Mar-2008 11:30
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Since i posted it for MIIF......from Bloomberg.com. Babcock & Brown Structured Finance Fund Ltd
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Farmer
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17-Mar-2008 11:09
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Thats right! Its a attractive yield counter(18% currently - trailing 12 mths) which I would consider even if its divs is reduce by half(not a good sign though). Will buy more in due course. |
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Fairygal
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17-Mar-2008 10:56
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Thanks shplayer. Already holding BBRF at 96 cts. Yield is pretty atractive at current price. Still thinking of buying in more at below 60 cts. The divvy received on 14 March was good, well, at least feel good to the eyes, considering such market conditions. Have a great day! |
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shplayer
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17-Mar-2008 10:50
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Fairygal, Generally, share price movement due to external factors does not impact the business of the company. I think for your investment analysis for this counter, Coy announcement of 10 Mar (posted by Farmer) would be a good guide. Also refer to the 'OUTLOOK' for FY 2008 in their FY07 presentation http://info.sgx.com/webcoranncatth.nsf/VwAttachments/Att_AC54C6395CCDB6CE482573FB00820C14/$file/FY2007Presentation_27208_final.pdf?openelement where it reaffirms 1H08 divvy of 5.2c. At this payout, total divvy to be paid is approx S$20m. If 2H divvy is say 6c, then total divvy payout for the year is approx S$43.5m. Hope this helps with your decision. |
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