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stanley888 Member	22-Apr-2011 20:39        stanley888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	i'm here for constructive discussion and learning. that is the purpose of the forum. it is always easy to talk things on the hindsight, but that is one of the effective way we study pattern by doing the back testing. i din't aware of any of my word has irritated you as i only talk about my opinion. if there is any, my apology. we should stop here. all the best! cheers!
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whencanchange Member	22-Apr-2011 18:19        whencanchange About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	becos yr 2 postings below oredi expose yr MA HOU PAO ,irritating snobbish attitude,  just playing around with words, very typical of those 20plus-yrs-old  working-class fresh school-leaver  forumners that read some books on stocks,  that's all  but always like to pretend to come forum act as " experts" posting their impractical nonsense stock investing theories  and also same pattern like  isolater clown that now got bombarded left, right, centre from many forumners now in Capland's thread. u read my post carefully,! For forum's leisure discussion I just said what's u guys 's GUESS on yanlord's price in 1 year's time in CNY2012! But u put words into my month that I'm asking for PREDICTION on yanlord's price by a certain period. and then u snobbishly come act MA HOU PAO saying all yr IMPRACTICAL theories that ONLY buy stock during market crashes blah, blah, blah. Many such irritating snobbish working-class 20plus-yrs-old fresh school leavers/or just fresh from completing a stock course, then start a blog, then always come post many wrong assumptions and impractical zhi shang tan bing theories in stock forums such as u.. Also I just post my 1 simple line my broker say for long-term investment he prefer Yanlord versus Capland, but u oredi snobbishly make so make false assumptions etc. WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY BROKER'S AND ANAYLSTS'S VIEWS ARE 100% RIGHT?! stanley888      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 18:01) Posted: We are here for healthy discussion. everyone have different investment objective and time horizon. For those whose objective and time horizon are similar to Warren Buffett, yes, he don't buy into under valued company every few months, or sometime years. He could probably buy few company in every few years, and will most likely hold it very long term, 10 years, 20 years or longer. if your objective if for dividend, you could buy into those high yield stock which stock price may not move much over the years. if you are looking for quick appreciation, you may look for those fast growing companies. It also depends on your risk appetite. for your question weather yanlord will be suspended in the next few years.. i guess one have the crystal ball to the answer. weather will it double in the next 1-3 years? well, who can predict anything in 1-3 years time frame? Cosco went up from from 25cents to $8 and now still at $2+. I believed there are still tons of people who got trapped in those $8 and still holding it. But who knows, it may went up to $8 again in future. But who can know for sure? it all depends on each individual's objective and time horizon.  Eg. for your UOB, what is your objective and time horizon? are you in for dividend? or for capital appreciation, or both? how long you plan to hold? each of us may have different answer for these questions but we should know the answer. For another question, what do you think the price of UOB in the next 3 years? Does anyone has any clear clue or answer for it? No can can believed and predict that AIG can drop from over $50 to below $0.40!! i did catch AIG at $0.45. i just set aside $5k that I'm willing to forget about it to try my luck. my objective for this investment is to strike a jackpot, my risk is $5k (willing to lose everything), and my time horizon is 10 years. well, it is worth around $17k now. i have no plan to sell it.  i'm just sharing what i think, and i hope we can hope a constructive discussion about stock. cheers!!      whencanchange      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 17:22) Posted: walan u, yr above post oredi showed u obviously MA HOU PAO liao! that USA subprime  OCT 2008 to March 2009 crisis only happens once in many years and also very unexpectedly . Also it's very naive for u say if buy long-term, buy only during market crash becos number 1 nobody will know which period is the bottom or which period is the market crash, it's always after many months after it happened, then 99% of people realized it's market crash during tat time. Does that mean we should only click buys at  March   2003(SARS crisis) and at March 2009 AND in between the 6 years we must not buy any stock at all? Also if buying blue-chips/good stocks for long-term, so long as NOT buy at near the TOP , if hold for long-term my past experience is still can win money even if buy at historical mid-point range of the counter's price. Eg, I did buy  2 lots at UOB at $13 and $11.90  during the severe correction in oct 2008, later next few months it did drop further to $8.10 but becos I hold long-term so now I still win. UOB now $19ish . In fact, after UOB rebounded 100% in share price after $8.10 bottom to surge to about $15 a few months later, I bought another 2 lots at $15.10 and $15.50 but I still profit becos UOB now $19. 99% of people CANNOT catch a stock at very near its bottom price
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stanley888 Member	22-Apr-2011 18:01        stanley888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We are here for healthy discussion. everyone have different investment objective and time horizon. For those whose objective and time horizon are similar to Warren Buffett, yes, he don't buy into under valued company every few months, or sometime years. He could probably buy few company in every few years, and will most likely hold it very long term, 10 years, 20 years or longer. if your objective if for dividend, you could buy into those high yield stock which stock price may not move much over the years. if you are looking for quick appreciation, you may look for those fast growing companies. It also depends on your risk appetite. for your question weather yanlord will be suspended in the next few years.. i guess one have the crystal ball to the answer. weather will it double in the next 1-3 years? well, who can predict anything in 1-3 years time frame? Cosco went up from from 25cents to $8 and now still at $2+. I believed there are still tons of people who got trapped in those $8 and still holding it. But who knows, it may went up to $8 again in future. But who can know for sure? it all depends on each individual's objective and time horizon.  Eg. for your UOB, what is your objective and time horizon? are you in for dividend? or for capital appreciation, or both? how long you plan to hold? each of us may have different answer for these questions but we should know the answer. For another question, what do you think the price of UOB in the next 3 years? Does anyone has any clear clue or answer for it? No can can believed and predict that AIG can drop from over $50 to below $0.40!! i did catch AIG at $0.45. i just set aside $5k that I'm willing to forget about it to try my luck. my objective for this investment is to strike a jackpot, my risk is $5k (willing to lose everything), and my time horizon is 10 years. well, it is worth around $17k now. i have no plan to sell it.  i'm just sharing what i think, and i hope we can hope a constructive discussion about stock. cheers!!      whencanchange      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 17:22) Posted: walan u, yr above post oredi showed u obviously MA HOU PAO liao! that USA subprime  OCT 2008 to March 2009 crisis only happens once in many years and also very unexpectedly . Also it's very naive for u say if buy long-term, buy only during market crash becos number 1 nobody will know which period is the bottom or which period is the market crash, it's always after many months after it happened, then 99% of people realized it's market crash during tat time. Does that mean we should only click buys at  March   2003(SARS crisis) and at March 2009 AND in between the 6 years we must not buy any stock at all? Also if buying blue-chips/good stocks for long-term, so long as NOT buy at near the TOP , if hold for long-term my past experience is still can win money even if buy at historical mid-point range of the counter's price. Eg, I did buy  2 lots at UOB at $13 and $11.90  during the severe correction in oct 2008, later next few months it did drop further to $8.10 but becos I hold long-term so now I still win. UOB now $19ish . In fact, after UOB rebounded 100% in share price after $8.10 bottom to surge to about $15 a few months later, I bought another 2 lots at $15.10 and $15.50 but I still profit becos UOB now $19. 99% of people CANNOT catch a stock at very near its bottom price. stanley888      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 16:40) Posted: Hello  whencanchange, To me, i will choose not to believe broker's prediction. They are merely telling you what was written in the  analyst's report. Even the God of Investor, Warren Buffett, dare not predict how much the price of a stock will be in future! No one can predict the future! In my opinion, if i want to buy stock for long term, i will only buy the super blue chip stock during market crash. example, if you buy OCBC/UOB/DBS during US's sub-prime crisis in March/April 2009, all of you holding on the 3 banks are already more than double as of now (in 2 years time). off course, the question is will you be buying when the whole market is full of fear!!  just my 2 cents :) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pick-The-Winning-Stock/108979645853653
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whencanchange Member	22-Apr-2011 17:22        whencanchange About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	walan u, yr above post oredi showed u obviously MA HOU PAO liao! that USA subprime  OCT 2008 to March 2009 crisis only happens once in many years and also very unexpectedly . Also it's very naive for u say if buy long-term, buy only during market crash becos number 1 nobody will know which period is the bottom or which period is the market crash, it's always after many months after it happened, then 99% of people realized it's market crash during tat time. Does that mean we should only click buys at  March   2003(SARS crisis) and at March 2009 AND in between the 6 years we must not buy any stock at all? Also if buying blue-chips/good stocks for long-term, so long as NOT buy at near the TOP , if hold for long-term my past experience is still can win money even if buy at historical mid-point range of the counter's price. Eg, I did buy  2 lots at UOB at $13 and $11.90  during the severe correction in oct 2008, later next few months it did drop further to $8.10 but becos I hold long-term so now I still win. UOB now $19ish . In fact, after UOB rebounded 100% in share price after $8.10 bottom to surge to about $15 a few months later, I bought another 2 lots at $15.10 and $15.50 but I still profit becos UOB now $19. 99% of people CANNOT catch a stock at very near its bottom price. stanley888      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 16:40) Posted: Hello  whencanchange, To me, i will choose not to believe broker's prediction. They are merely telling you what was written in the  analyst's report. Even the God of Investor, Warren Buffett, dare not predict how much the price of a stock will be in future! No one can predict the future! In my opinion, if i want to buy stock for long term, i will only buy the super blue chip stock during market crash. example, if you buy OCBC/UOB/DBS during US's sub-prime crisis in March/April 2009, all of you holding on the 3 banks are already more than double as of now (in 2 years time). off course, the question is will you be buying when the whole market is full of fear!!  just my 2 cents :) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pick-The-Winning-Stock/108979645853653      whencanchange      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 16:06) Posted: do u guys think Yanlord being a s-chip may be suspended in next few years? what's the likelihood? I'm vested in tis, intend to hold for long-term but I always have this worry about whether will yanlord be suspended in the next few years or not since it's an s-chip? BTW, wats u people's guess on Yanlord price by CNY 2012? My broker say Yanlord if hold for 1-3 years, VERY high chance to double in share price to $3 whereas he said Capland which will also rise in the same period but is unlikely to double to $7 from current $3.45.
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stanley888 Member	22-Apr-2011 16:40        stanley888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hello  whencanchange, To me, i will choose not to believe broker's prediction. They are merely telling you what was written in the  analyst's report. Even the God of Investor, Warren Buffett, dare not predict how much the price of a stock will be in future! No one can predict the future! In my opinion, if i want to buy stock for long term, i will only buy the super blue chip stock during market crash. example, if you buy OCBC/UOB/DBS during US's sub-prime crisis in March/April 2009, all of you holding on the 3 banks are already more than double as of now (in 2 years time). off course, the question is will you be buying when the whole market is full of fear!!  just my 2 cents :) http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pick-The-Winning-Stock/108979645853653      whencanchange      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 16:06) Posted: do u guys think Yanlord being a s-chip may be suspended in next few years? what's the likelihood? I'm vested in tis, intend to hold for long-term but I always have this worry about whether will yanlord be suspended in the next few years or not since it's an s-chip? BTW, wats u people's guess on Yanlord price by CNY 2012? My broker say Yanlord if hold for 1-3 years, VERY high chance to double in share price to $3 whereas he said Capland which will also rise in the same period but is unlikely to double to $7 from current $3.45.
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whencanchange Member	22-Apr-2011 16:06        whencanchange About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	do u guys think Yanlord being a s-chip may be suspended in next few years? what's the likelihood? I'm vested in tis, intend to hold for long-term but I always have this worry about whether will yanlord be suspended in the next few years or not since it's an s-chip? BTW, wats u people's guess on Yanlord price by CNY 2012? My broker say Yanlord if hold for 1-3 years, VERY high chance to double in share price to $3 whereas he said Capland which will also rise in the same period but is unlikely to double to $7 from current $3.45.
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neutral Member	22-Apr-2011 15:55        neutral About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	u are dead wrong! I got share how many lots I have in my vested counters in my past postings provided got other forumner ask me this question directly , if no one ask me, of course what for suddenly I tell that person how many lots I have. My nick in CNA forum also oredi got post clearly how many lots of Yanlord, Sabana Reit,  Sembmarine  and DBS I have in my portfoilio shoemaker      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 11:36) Posted: I notice you always ask people this question but you don't share your holdings first... neutral      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 00:33) Posted: shoemaker, u now holding altogether how many lots of yanlord at average what price
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shoemaker Member	22-Apr-2011 15:05        shoemaker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Do you think people are generally bearish about this counter? Do you think it is oversold? Do you think the present price is doing an injustice to  its underlying business, prospects and earnings? If your answer is yes to all of the above, what's holding you back from buying? If you were willing to buy at $2+, wouldn't it be a better offer to  stock up more  at $1.50? The true test of your faith in this counter will come when other counters go up instead of this one.  Whether you give up(sell  low)  and  follow the crowd to chase  other counters  or maintain your faith that it will  one day FLY higher than the rest.
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james87 Veteran	22-Apr-2011 12:03        james87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	wah...so rich. the dividend is pathetic though I'll have to agree. But my paper loss is -2000 plus...1/3 of initial capital gone. maybe i'll sell it at a loss if i happened to rich 1.80 - 1.90 range...or perhaps an average down at current price...still thinking
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davekoh Member	22-Apr-2011 11:59        davekoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bought 20 lots at 2.38. Hopeless stock. Just received annual report - don't even want to look at it.!
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james87 Veteran	22-Apr-2011 11:55        james87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I bought 3 lots at 2.46....crazily high I know. That time was before all the property measures etc....but have to agree that Yanlord in one of the S-chip that is more reputable....but never know. Still thinking if I should average it....afraid that I'll be trap again with more cash in this counter.
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shoemaker Member	22-Apr-2011 11:36        shoemaker About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I notice you always ask people this question but you don't share your holdings first... neutral      ( Date: 22-Apr-2011 00:33) Posted: shoemaker, u now holding altogether how many lots of yanlord at average what price? shoemaker      ( Date: 30-Mar-2011 11:05) Posted: I think it will be a slow recovery until the announcement of the 1Q11 results.  Price seemed to hit strong resistance at $1.44 level and is now rebounding, with more buy-ups than sell downs this morning. Yanlord is  among the worst hit of all China property counters as it is in the luxury tier, and buyers  will be  subjected to the highest property tax bracket(1.2%). I still think this is a grossly underpriced counter compared to its intrinsic value. Continue to accumulate on dips and  until the market is convinced that cooling measures having  less than expected  impact on its earnings, it will FLY
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cheongsl Master	22-Apr-2011 09:16        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Chart showing nearer period instead of taking 2007 peak
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cheongsl Master	22-Apr-2011 09:10        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Pls continue to short if you think it will go down, I am currently picking
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stanley888 Member	22-Apr-2011 07:49        stanley888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yanlord has seen more selling pressure than buying pressure. 1.50 level must hold, otherwise, it will continue to go down. Infact, Yanlord is in my list to Short. next week will be crucial for Yanlord. stanley888      ( Date: 19-Apr-2011 13:48) Posted: Yanlord has been in down trend since Aug 2009. It is now trading at 1.5 critical. It may be in the tight range bound between 1.50 to 1.60 for the next few days. 1.50 support must hold, otherwise, 1.35 will be the next support level. http://pick-the-winning-stock.blogspot.com/  whencanchange      ( Date: 19-Apr-2011 12:43) Posted: do u guys think yanlord is more likely to fall below $1.50 tomoro/next few days?
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neutral Member	22-Apr-2011 00:33        neutral About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	shoemaker, u now holding altogether how many lots of yanlord at average what price? shoemaker      ( Date: 30-Mar-2011 11:05) Posted: I think it will be a slow recovery until the announcement of the 1Q11 results.  Price seemed to hit strong resistance at $1.44 level and is now rebounding, with more buy-ups than sell downs this morning. Yanlord is  among the worst hit of all China property counters as it is in the luxury tier, and buyers  will be  subjected to the highest property tax bracket(1.2%). I still think this is a grossly underpriced counter compared to its intrinsic value. Continue to accumulate on dips and  until the market is convinced that cooling measures having  less than expected  impact on its earnings, it will FLY. whencanchange      ( Date: 26-Mar-2011 12:55) Posted: any views on yanlord's likely short-term price direction? Even Capland, capmall asia and Yingli (all these also got exposure to china's property), they all rose strongly from their recent lows liao, especially  Yingli  which always underperformed yanlord in the past but yingli recently very strong  even hitting 39.5 cts yesterday..... From past  1 to 2 years comparisons, whenver yingli was at 38.5-39.5 cts, yanlord's price was  still at $1.56- $1.60 plus  but now Yingli 38.5 cts  but  yanlord now at  $1.44....even lower than may-2009  if I'm not mistaken
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neutral Member	21-Apr-2011 20:20        neutral About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yanlord Land Group ($1.63) — Attempting recovery Written by The Edge Monday, 11 April 2011 11:47 This counter broke out of the top of a minor double-bottom formation at $1.50 on April 1. The measuring objective obtained from the break is at hand. However, prices could start an uptrend. Before doing so, prices could retreat to establish the trough for the uptrend. Support for this should be at $1.50. If the uptrend is established, prices will be able to move above $1.65, towards $1.80. Note that even though volume is tepid, it expands on white-candle days, and quarterly momentum has greater strength than the momentum of the stock’s peers. It looks like this counter has gained relative strength against the sector and the market, despite being an S-chip. whencanchange      ( Date: 19-Apr-2011 12:43) Posted: do u guys think yanlord is more likely to fall below $1.50 tomoro/next few days?
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stanley888 Member	19-Apr-2011 13:48        stanley888 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yanlord has been in down trend since Aug 2009. It is now trading at 1.5 critical. It may be in the tight range bound between 1.50 to 1.60 for the next few days. 1.50 support must hold, otherwise, 1.35 will be the next support level. http://pick-the-winning-stock.blogspot.com/  whencanchange      ( Date: 19-Apr-2011 12:43) Posted: do u guys think yanlord is more likely to fall below $1.50 tomoro/next few days?
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whencanchange Member	19-Apr-2011 12:43        whencanchange About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	do u guys think yanlord is more likely to fall below $1.50 tomoro/next few days?
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cheongsl Master	19-Apr-2011 07:26        cheongsl About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Time to pickup again after touching the support twice?
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