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US down to AA+....What would happen on monday.....
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 16:33
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Did u not know big coy announcing cutting manpower, why? since they are making good profit, shd be expanding, right? simple, they know order have slow, going forward, that time is bad ahead., that is why. to stay in business, they got to downsize, or get loan or go under..first, they cut cost, next sell asset, next,, chapter 11. 
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 16:28
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i think next yr, property will start to collpase, hope not so fast., but gradually. if u got stock in property, time to sell. and those reit, will also be affected. cash will be king.  |
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rotijai
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06-Aug-2011 16:27
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nop.. not stock nor property.. well.. cant sell business and lose their jobs uh? :)
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 16:25
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In a deleveraging and deflating enviroment , you dont want to hold stock or property,  company sell asset to rise capital, if there cannot get it form institution, so it have a downward pressure on asset. and these bad economic situation , they got to do a fire sale, that make px come down even faster.  so both security and asset px will collapse. 
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rotijai
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06-Aug-2011 16:17
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lol.. i am only worry tat US dollar wont go up.. if it goes up to 2 (against sgd).. even better :P my family got like 90% of our assets in US..lol
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 16:14
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US dollar, but u say the dollar is shit, right. if the world go to reverse gear, u will be amaze at the speed of the dollar soaring skyward. why? unwinding, deflating, deleveraging ? .  
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 16:07
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the problem with people is that they dont cut their losses short, they hold till more losses, and that is when cutting is no longer meaningful cut losses fast, you will be glad, sell to strength. for instance, if u go casino today and the frist hour you keep losing, do u carry on or do u get out and come back another day?  most ppl stay and fight, so they end up losing more, u must know that day , star is not with u, so it is more sensible to stop and come back another day to bet.  u know the saying, if u keep doin the same thing, u got the same result. Do something different, cut first , talk later, dont hope again hope, the mkt got further to drop. those BBB are ready to attack Spain and Italy, they are weak now, ECB and IMF also cannot save them. even if they can, that is just for a while only, no longer term solution remember 2008, always remember 2008., always remember 2008.  be realistic, dont self comfort that thing will be fine, hope authority can solve the problem. but i see thing to blow up 2012. we still got some precious time left. hope so.    |
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rotijai
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06-Aug-2011 15:57
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u mean sg dollar or us dollar ? :P
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 15:56
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  You are your very own good news and bad news. But if you want to trade, fine, but if you think buy value to long, wait a while first. if you have gone thro 2008, you know, when ,right? as politician kick the can down the road, the can didn't disappear,in fact, it grow bigger, so after kicking and kicking. now cannot kick anymore, because now the can grow so big that it got to roll over ten time around the world , so the day of reackoning have arrived. cash is king, in this environment, my take dollar to soar, oil, gold and stock to collapse.    |
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rotijai
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06-Aug-2011 15:36
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i think all's up to the G7 finance ministers meeting in a days as spoken by the italian leader..
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Gaecia
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06-Aug-2011 15:35
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You mean S& P can reinstate  the US rating with an 'upgrade' or an 'un-downgrade' term (upon further re-assessment should it happen)? Who knows, maybe S& P has dyscalculia. That will  be so  interesting.    |
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hpong5
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06-Aug-2011 15:29
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The source also said S&P didn't give enough credit for the debt-ceiling compromise, which paved the way for more than $2 trillion in spending cuts over the next 10 years. However, one of S&P's explicit criticisms of the compromise was that it didn't address the biggest drivers of the nation's debt -- Social Security and Medicare -- and didn't allow for additional tax revenue. | ||||
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sinetic8
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06-Aug-2011 14:24
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Told they had a $2 trillion error in their calculation of US deficits over a 10-year period, Standard and Poor’s scrambled in the afternoon Friday to reconsider its historic decision to downgrade the United States government. Sources familiar with the situation say S& P had to rouse several of its European committee members from bed to hold an emergency conference call as markets headed toward their close in the US. The outcome: the agency affirmed the decision the committee had made just that morning, yanking its triple-A rating from the United States and downgrading it one notch to AA+. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think US market will fall next week due to downgrade, they want to argue to prevent downgrade, in the end also lose, means big problem already. First ppl bet that US won't default, but their debt deal also like shit. They bet again ratings wont be cut because of debt deal and assurance, in the end SnP still downgrad them. Italy's prime minister's wanting to solve their country's problem also like ai mai ai mai like that..Going to be like greece asking help and money kept pumping in endlessly. Next Tuesday is a holiday, then come thursday jobless claims again. I feel very bearish now. Will wait till fire settle down before going in to buy cheap stocks again. Probably the week after and see how things go. Enjoy the weekend! Enjoy the fireworks!!!!!! |
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Citigold
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06-Aug-2011 13:27
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Ironically , S& P are also the ones who placed triple A credit rating for those assets backed securities which indirectly caused the sub prime crisis.
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JUNWEI9756
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06-Aug-2011 12:56
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No confirmation sign yet.. so sit back and relax...  | ||||
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teeth53
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06-Aug-2011 12:53
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When there is down grade. DOW chances of going up is bright, enjoy d roller coaster ride. |
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 12:37
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I dont know why invester base on credit rating that is behind the curve. some major mkt player already have their own guy doing the job of rating and give these credit agency the miss. very soon , all institution will follow, and all these credit agency have to downgrade themselve to " JUNK OF JUNK" ..lol  |
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andreytan
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06-Aug-2011 12:33
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This news is expected by invester, but the US govt debt is still popular with invester. i dont think mkt will react vigorously. but Monday is still selling mode, cause Tuesday is a holiday. this news is break over the wkend, that is why during crises, it is disadvantage to hold over the wkend.  |
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artng25
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06-Aug-2011 12:25
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S& P's Beers: It was our duty to downgrade the U.S.
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sinetic8
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06-Aug-2011 12:02
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S& P won't admit their mistakes. IF it's their mistakes, then the previous downgrades all come to question.. just take the downgrade news in your stride and dont hope so much for the best. |
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