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23-Aug-2011 00:13 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Just imagine if you were a businessman, will you make large investment after you witness last few weeks of mkt crashes??

i believe all corp expansion or investment will be put on hold, and that will tip the economy into recession. 

and a europe in recession, default will be gurantee. just a matter of time.

no growth, no money ,default. 
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23-Aug-2011 00:08 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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just cut, and wait on the side, you are not losing, you just withdraw to the side and wait for opportunity to buy low,

cut and feel happy..and watch from the side.

If there are rally, just join back and be fast to take profit and run, for such rally are nothing more then tech rebounce.

recession for sure, all confident of invester are gone.

before this the world already slow, but after last few wk of stock crash, the economy will be in recession by 4q the earliest . 

andreytan      ( Date: 23-Aug-2011 00:02) Posted:



Those who are long , if you are down 25%, stillnot too late to get out.

Recession will see your porfolio, down by 70%,

get out now, so you got more bullet at the bottom, so you profit more.

down 25%, break even at 33%..possiblbe..if down 70%, ..it take 233%.very hard.

pls take notice., unless you trade,  

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23-Aug-2011 00:02 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Those who are long , if you are down 25%, stillnot too late to get out.

Recession will see your porfolio, down by 70%,

get out now, so you got more bullet at the bottom, so you profit more.

down 25%, break even at 33%..possiblbe..if down 70%, ..it take 233%.very hard.

pls take notice., unless you trade,  
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22-Aug-2011 23:13 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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After, week of down, someone just told ,me that dow will be 13500..sti 3300.by yr end.

any objection??i dont rule it out...it is possible, if Ben this friday, print money again big time. 

in fact, that was my tg initially  
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20-Aug-2011 16:33 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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For those who bought good counter , need not worry, don't see the px day to day, afterall, you say u are a long term invester.so if the px go down further just buy more and keep.

remember your px is not next day, next month or next year,...your px is 20 years from now...look at the price only 20 years from now. 

buy when there are big drop. Let those panic go and realised their loss. 

for if there were no losses, where come gain??

you will be the one to gain. 
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20-Aug-2011 16:24 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Those who have been holding and telling people not to panic are the real idiots here. Panic is the appropriate response when the global economy is collapsing. Take your money out of the market now before you lose even more. The buy and hold strategy will lead only to big losses. Guaranteed in these times. 
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*Sigh*

 

I hate reading posts like these.  You DO realize that you don't lose a thing unless you SELL at a price lower than which you BUY, right?  Say I purchased 10 lots SIA last week.  Lo and Behold, my shares have dropped $1 in value.  I haven't LOST anything (look up unrealized gain/loss and learn something) until I SELL the shares.  Meanwhile, SIA is paying me a 6% per share dividend, helping me to beat inflation.  WHY would I want to sell?

 

The DOW and STI aren't going to drop to 0, and Blue Chip companies are not going out of business any time soon.  Phase in purchase of high dividend yielding blue chips companies while the market is dropping.  Cash in on the eventual market upswing (it WILL happen) and enjoy the returns via dividends until your stocks come back.

 

This isn't quantum mechanics.  Would you rather have a guaranteed 6% return and possibly encounter some temporary  UNREALIZED  losses, or would you rather sell and  have actual losses while losing ground to inflation via money market or CD?

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20-Aug-2011 16:06 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Being frightened is an experience you can't buy." ---- Anthony Price -  Sion Crossing  (1984)

 

This quote works unless you pick up equities that others sell at a low because of fear. Personally, I am buying the dips.

 

A company picks up a multi billion contract from a foreign country and it falls 7%. Really? Yes, I am a buyer.

 

If you are panicking, I would guess you should not have been invested anyways. Investing is 3 dimensional (type, value, and TIME). I will buy the equities from fear based, short term thinkers. Normally these investments  are great sale prices.


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20-Aug-2011 15:58 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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  Hey the game is called investing and the rules are buy good sound stocks low and then sell them when their  price goes above  a reasonable  good value 

  Buying really low requires going against the herd fear and selling at a reasonable price requires going against head greed. 

Holding them is made easy if they pay dividends of 3-6%.

 

andreytan      ( Date: 20-Aug-2011 15:54) Posted:



 

 

  “Bull markets are born on pessimism, grown on skepticism, mature on optimism and die on euphoria. The time of maximum pessimism is the best time to buy, and the time of maximum optimism is the best time to sell.” – Sir John Templeton

This is a great quote!  Even Warren Buffett says that you have to swim against the current most times to make money in the market.  Our goal in life and investing is to buy low and sell high.  The stock market follows the herd mentality.  Even many mutual fund managers have been accused of following the crowd too.  When people are down on the market as a whole, it is usually the best time to buy stocks.  And, like Templeton says in the quote above, the height of the frenzy and optimism is your selling cue.


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20-Aug-2011 15:54 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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  “Bull markets are born on pessimism, grown on skepticism, mature on optimism and die on euphoria. The time of maximum pessimism is the best time to buy, and the time of maximum optimism is the best time to sell.” – Sir John Templeton

This is a great quote!  Even Warren Buffett says that you have to swim against the current most times to make money in the market.  Our goal in life and investing is to buy low and sell high.  The stock market follows the herd mentality.  Even many mutual fund managers have been accused of following the crowd too.  When people are down on the market as a whole, it is usually the best time to buy stocks.  And, like Templeton says in the quote above, the height of the frenzy and optimism is your selling cue.

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20-Aug-2011 00:44 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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I think we will see a major war outbreak within the next 5 to 10 yrs.

the last 2WW  was fought because of economic matter blow big,
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20-Aug-2011 00:15 Sapphire   /   Good Entry       Go to Message
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yes, it is very obvious, what is up?

This is on my watchlist.

 
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19-Aug-2011 23:59 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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What if 1500 is not the floor, the floor is at the basement of 600???and you buy all one shoot, then panic and get out.

at 1500 the px will be very big move. 

why 1500???can share.

 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 19-Aug-2011 23:26) Posted:

True !!!!!!! WELL SAID sifu !!! I think i will just keep the cash in my pocket, safest... Wait for any confirmations then load it up, never too late !!!

rotijai      ( Date: 19-Aug-2011 23:18) Posted:



take a look at 2008 crisis and 2010 correction and compare the 2..

and take ur bets

if u believe tat it's just like 2010 correction, u can place ur bets now..

if u believe tat it's 2008 crisis, u can wait (by betting) until it bottoms..

i believe tat this is something similar to 2008, tat's y i dont intend to long anything..

if i am wrong, i dont lose anything (only lose the winning and prob got the chance to short at juicy peaks weeks later)

if i am right, i will have all my cash in the piggy bank waiting to make a killing when STI goes as cheap as 1500 :


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19-Aug-2011 23:06 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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buy slowly, progressively, 

buy courageously on big drop, not rebounce. 

all above depend on your opinion about the mkt,

mine is recession next yr, now till yr end a rally to make ,

everyone must make their decision and carry it out, and lived with it.

but put a stop on all vestment will be your protection. 

JUNWEI9756      ( Date: 19-Aug-2011 23:02) Posted:

Haiz....... So enter or not to enter ? haizzzzzz.

andreytan      ( Date: 19-Aug-2011 22:53) Posted:



Yes it is true, damage is there, but recession is still a possibility, 

global growth have slow for all countries, China, US, Japan, Singapore..virtually all.

But recession till end of yr is still early to call,

According to MD of ECRI, he need more data to confirm and call a recession and that will be till end of fall..that means end of 4quater this year. 


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19-Aug-2011 22:53 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Yes it is true, damage is there, but recession is still a possibility, 

global growth have slow for all countries, China, US, Japan, Singapore..virtually all.

But recession till end of yr is still early to call,

According to MD of ECRI, he need more data to confirm and call a recession and that will be till end of fall..that means end of 4quater this year. 
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19-Aug-2011 22:41 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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OK, to show you all the data by ECRI, you go compare yourself. I don't make up story.

You go and compare last year data when there was talk of double dip recession and now, and see for youreself.

to see if it true that data back then was even worse....-9...today...ard..1.7...2.0...tonite data are coming out. No doubt, it is true that if data are borderline, chances is that it may dip into recession, but we are not in one yet.

ECRI update their data every Friday nite at 11pm....now see for yourself.

  http://www.businesscycle.com/resources/

all you need to do is to click on the green icon on the data colon.. and then compare.

 
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19-Aug-2011 22:30 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Data so far, are borderline.

If u remember last year, when mkt talk abt a double dip recession on the horizon,   the data was even worse than what we have right now,

But did mkt crash, like now???

Mkt is pricing in the worst case scenario.

if you want to capitalise on these, just buy progressively.

dont buy one shoot, buy when mkt drop big time, then if got profit( some 10%) sell when  rebounce, for small cap and mid cap.

buy blues chips to keep for ang mo to come and buy from you, cause ang mo eyes are blues.

just buy, dont listen to noises, u be glad...pls do so with stop and only if u can lose your pant and underwear. 

 
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19-Aug-2011 22:22 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Current mkt is pricing in the worst case scenario and on top of that, mkt rumour mostly spread by BBB to profit abt France downgrade( S& P) already clarified, rumour only, and then Bank problem, but recent bank stress test proof otherwise, so long Italy and Spain don't default, risk is zero for now.

buy on dip. U be surpeise FED still hold the key to a rally, coming, never fight the fed, have u heard that before.

we are nowhere near a recession, mkt are assuming ,

data so far are borderline, remember last yr, talk of double dip, the data was even worse.

i will buy on dip, buy progressively and slowly, and fearlessly, to enjoy your ride back up. pls follow only if u can afford to lose your pant and shirt. 

  http://www.cnbc.com/id/44191163
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19-Aug-2011 12:21 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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This round is unlike the last one,

The last one i almost vomit, i q low, and got it very fast and it go lower before the latest rebounce allow me some profit, which is still on paper.

today, u may not believe, look at the vol, like those want tosell already sell and greedy buyer like me, wait long long.

but still got some.

I still believe a rally coming , so i buy on dip.

recession is assume by the mkt , so they run for cover, likewise later they will run back, where can they run.

gold???too high and volitale...bond..too safe pay next to nothing...then they will come charging back in.

are u ready for them to come back.??i am waiting. 

BE GREEDY WHEN OTHER FEAR, AND FEAR WHEN OTHER ARE GREEDY.

dont base on assume, just becos a bank borrow 500m..one bank out of thousand of bank???what nonsense.

just ask how many bank in the US fail mth to mth...worth more than 500m...and this one just borrow, it is not going bankrupt. 
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19-Aug-2011 01:08 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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BBB collaborated with Morgan Stanley to accumulate cheaply from the market, for them to push Dow higher.

So Morgan come out to say , lousy growth. BBB are waiting to collect from you people tomolo.

they are buying blues, pls sell them blues, cause their eyes are blues.

mine already blues black, so tomolo must buy , since it is already blues black why not make it swollen.. ...lol

stockmarketmind      ( Date: 19-Aug-2011 00:43) Posted:

Wow everyone talking about the news??

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19-Aug-2011 00:41 Straits Times Index   /   STI to cross 3000 boosted by long-term investors       Go to Message
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Market valuation taken from gurufocus..

 

  3. Market Valuations 


Over the long run, stock market valuation reverts to its mean. A higher current valuation certainly correlates with lower long-term returns in the future. On the other hand, a lower current valuation level correlates with a higher long-term return. The total market valuation is measured by the ratio of total market cap (TMC) to GNP -- the equation representing Warren Buffett's " best single measure" . This ratio since 1970 is shown in the second chart to the right. Gurufocus.com calculates and updates this ratio daily. As of  08/18/2011, this ratio is  83.4%.

We can see that, during the past four decades, the TMC/GNP ratio has varied within a very wide range. The lowest point was about 35% in the previous deep recession of 1982, while the highest point was 148% during the tech bubble in 2000. The market went from extremely undervalued in 1982 to extremely overvalued in 2000.

Based on these historical valuations, we have divided market valuation into five zones:
Ratio = Total Market Cap / GDPValuation
Ratio < 50%Significantly Undervalued
50% < Ratio < 75%Modestly Undervalued
75% < Ratio < 90%Fair Valued
90% < Ratio < 115%Modestly Overvalued
Ratio > 115%Significantly Overvalued
Where are we today (08/18/2011)?Ratio =  83.4%Fairly valued

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