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14-Sep-2011 03:28

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OK last post.

Turn date are date where powerful turn of mkt occur as calculated by my system. from data computed.

and so far it is 80% accurate. it is not like head and shoulder pattern or the death cross which is not that accurate,

till turn date, and new low,, i will not change my view,

goodnite.

JUNWEI9756 ( Date: 14-Sep-2011 03:20) Posted:

wad do u mean by turn date ??

andreytan ( Date: 14-Sep-2011 03:19) Posted:

I am not so sure, now mkt change, we see 5% drop, one day, and another up of few %..the next,

but i am sure if by turn date, if it drop, it will confirm a strong bear upfront, we may short from there.

that will be more affirmative. ..JMO

good nite and good luck

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14-Sep-2011 03:19

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JUNWEI9756 ( Date: 14-Sep-2011 03:10) Posted:

tmr short or long sti ??

andreytan ( Date: 14-Sep-2011 03:10) Posted:

we must always follow the trend , if on turn date, the trend fol ow is very bearish and it collapse big form here is a confirm , we should immediately turn short.

There is also big money to make form here. But i still dont see that happening...JMO.

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14-Sep-2011 03:10

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14-Sep-2011 02:58

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But there remain a death cross form by 30 d and 30 wk abv , we are in bear territory, but so long it did not break thro new low,

rally remain , till it is confirm by turn date, hope so..JMO

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14-Sep-2011 02:50

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tonite if u compare oil and dow from 10 to 2 pm, there are a lot of similarity,

hope oil can cross 92 to 100 soon, look like 90 is a big hurdle.

and hope dow rally further to void the head and shoulder pattern, but fact remain, that there is a turn date ahead, or maybe it may give rise to a invert head and shoulder pattern.

if that the case, then rally follow will also be spectacular.

and very likely we may see a new low for a more sustainable rally, but danger remain is if it did not turn from turn date there..then

bear will takeover and that is serious , a very big drop from there, we are in deep trouble....JMO

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13-Sep-2011 20:54

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I forgot to add in.........YZJ..

andreytan ( Date: 13-Sep-2011 20:42) Posted:

First, I really really do not mind taunting or whatsosver in this forum, really,.because i got no enemy here.

The real enemy in fact is ourselves,

In the mkt, we are our greatest enemy... ALL ARE MY FREINDS, I LEARN FROM ALL...thus i will continue to share.

now, i have some stocks to share...but only if you know risk management, then don't follow, if you are new, just watch dont buy first.

observe, or do dry runs, like i post before,,no money involve just imagine trade only.

SGX............GENTING SP, COSCO, SUNVIC, KEPCORP, NOBLE, SHENG SIONG, WILMAR, DYNA-MAC, KEPLAND, ..potential 10% gain ..one months below .

NYSE............BOA, WELL FARGO, CITI. .......30 to 40% gaim short term by christmas.

risk management with stop apply, please....thanks

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13-Sep-2011 20:42

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12-Sep-2011 22:40

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Thanks you for the info..

but i am gold blind..... in other word, i hava little knowledge in gold?? so i dont touch it.

i just quote from my source to share. You may not agree, but i respect your view.

thanks , and no thanks , i prefer stock ,not gold.

MasterNg9999 ( Date: 12-Sep-2011 22:34) Posted:

Er... need to inform you .... Gold did soar to record level .....

not USD ... but in Euro ....

Gold New Record High In Euros (€1,375/oz) On Greek Default And Eurozone Contagion Risk

From GoldCore

Gold New Record High in Euros (€1,375/oz) on Greek Default and Eurozone Contagion Risk

Gold is marginally lower in most currencies and is trading at USD 1,836.60, EUR 1,350.90, GBP 1,158.90, JPY 141,320, AUD 1,779 and CHF 1,626 per ounce. Gold reached a new record nominal highs in Australian dollars, Swiss francs and euros this morning.

Gold’s London AM fix this morning was USD 1,843.00, EUR 1,354.94, and GBP 1,164.10 per ounce. Friday’s AM fix was USD 1,879.50, EUR 1,359.39, and GBP 1,177.12 per ounce.

Cross Currency Table

There has been a sharp increase in risk aversion with the euro and stocks internationally falling sharply due to concerns about the coming Greek default and the real risk of contagion in the Eurozone.

The euro got off to a rocky start in Asia, falling to fresh six-month lows against the dollar and a 10 year low on the yen as downside momentum picked up after several key technical levels gave way recently.

Gold could see weakness today due to dollar strength and the possibility of margin calls for leveraged players on the COMEX.

However, bargain hunting bullion buyers are present at these price levels and gold is likely to be supported above $1,800/oz.

While dollar strength would normally result in gold weakness it is very possible that both the dollar and gold could rise together in the short term. This would result in gold making sharper gains in pounds, Swiss francs, euros and other fiat currencies.

France’s largest banks by market value, BNP Paribas SA, Societe Generale SA and Credit Agricole SA, may have their credit ratings cut by Moody’s Investors Service as soon as this week because of their Greek holdings.

Officials in Merkel’s government are debating how to shore up German banks in the event that Greece defaults. Merkel is due to hold talks on the debt crisis with European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso today.

The risk of contagion in the Eurozone sovereign, banking and entire financial system is very real and will result in continuing safe haven demand.

Gold in Euros – 30 Day (Tick)

Gold is being supported by broad based global gold demand. Demand dropped in the second quarter of this year compared with the second quarter of 2010, but is expected to strengthen by the end of 2011, driven by robust store of wealth jewellery buying in India and China and recovery in global investment demand, the World Gold Council said over the weekend.

The real risk of a U.S. and wider global recession is prompting investors to buy gold as safe haven while Asian consumers continue to buy jewellery and increasingly gold bars as a store of value and inflation hedge.

SILVER
Gold’s unloved little brother silver continues to receive little or no media coverage which continues to be bullish from a contrarian perspective.

Silver Bullion in USD – 1 Year (Daily)

Silver has been quietly consolidating for the last two months between $37/oz and $44/oz. A close above $44.25/oz could see silver quickly challenge the recent and 1980 record high at the $50/oz level.

Longer term the real high (CPI inflation adjusted) of $130/oz remains a realistic price target.

Silver at just under $42 per ounce continues to be more attractive to many investors relative to gold at about $1,850.

At 44:1 the gold silver ratio continues to favour silver with many silver buyers conscious of the long term historical gold to silver ratio of 15 to1.

Silver is also more attractive to many jewellery manufacturers and jewellers whose margins on gold jewelry are being badly squeezed.

Jewellery makers at an international trade fair in London have said that silver is seeing greater use in jewellery as rising gold prices put off cash strapped consumers.

High prices have practically squeezed gold out of the low and medium-priced segments of western jewellery markets, with other metals replacing gold for small gifts worth 100-300 euros, industry officials said.

David Lamb, managing director for jewellery at the World Gold Council (WGC) said that " at the current prices of gold, that level of jewellery in gold has really disappeared."

Ah Tan .. me think you no need to go bear lah....

you cannot be bear .... like a leopard cannot change spot ....

even if you bear .. also fake bear ..lolx ....

me think there are some newbie who can learn from you ... but not all newbie can be like you

market is very very big like when a forest become big , all kind of birds also got .... hahahah

Cheer

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12-Sep-2011 22:37

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For those who are stuck and down 20 to 30%, be comforted, so long no new low and free fall from there.

A rally is confirm.

ignore those bear who do not like our bullish view. they have their right , we have ours.

I believe you will see your money back, and hopefully some profit.

but please take notice 2012 will be the year of great reckoning, sell to the coming rally.

if not bear takover( currently not likely) then go short to recover your losses.

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12-Sep-2011 22:27

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Gold tonite shd be soaring becos of safe haven status, right?? but it did not.

that is why it is better to buy stock, beocs in gold it drop fast and big. can drop 2 to 3 hundred dollar.

but if up you make little.. a few tens of dollar,,not worth it.

buy stock is more profitable.. i believe if chart from my susbription newletter is right,

you can buy gold at 1600 if not then 1250...buy then at 1600 to 1250. also not late... but long term tg px for gold is 3000!!!!

and they recommend silver. I think so, but this is risky, I dont suggest, but i post anyway to share, your discreet decision.

trough not break, no bear.. can those bear tell me why shd i be bearish and join them?

we dont argue, if your reasons is good, i will consider to be a bear.

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12-Sep-2011 22:18

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You may wonder why oil is holding up and gold a safe haven went down, What is happening???

gold down i think is that BB cover their losses last wk by selling what esles...gold!! the only thing that hold up.

To really ascertain stock, you just observe px of oil.

Oil is always an leading indicater of stock rally.

look for il to go abv 90 to 92 for stock to rally.

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12-Sep-2011 22:07

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Why am i not bearish till now is that , it have yet to reach turn window and have yet to break new low. 1070 to 1030 S& P..but head and shoulder formation is worrying

and also i give it an error of some 2%..so till then i will still buy on dip..decision is yours.

no worry, till then , i will let you know..if by turn date, it break trough , there is a lot of money to be make by shorting.

good luck.

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12-Sep-2011 22:03

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ignore all noise.

if only break trough at S& P 1070 to 1030 and go free fall, I think by then your stop will have trigger,the 12 to 14%

that is bad, then we will turn bear and join those bear here to short..right now dow look turn up but not be happy.

look ahed shoulder formation..look bad,

if it break trough at turn window and go free fall, go short .i will tell you when reach there.

till then till buy on dip..

today bought Genting at 1.63 5 lots,,and another 2 counters.

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12-Sep-2011 18:10

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To learn properly, it means take time and money,,are you prepare to do that.

dont learn here..you must learn form qualify ppl face to face.

there are not sifu here,,, but all alphabet...ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ..

how to learn properly???

steadylar ( Date: 12-Sep-2011 18:03) Posted:

It's a privilege to learn so much from the sharing by so many sifus here. Ultimately one must take personal responsibility for his/her decision.

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12-Sep-2011 18:05

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Someone ask me, so dow 13200 how???.of course, so long we never break trough ..why shd i change my view.

if everytime mkt drop i change my view, isn't it a bit weird.

you can have your view, i respect that, likewise also you must respect my view.

Monday..mkt up...my wife is beautiful.

Tuesday,,mkt down..my wife is urgly.

Wed,,,mkt up 500 pts..my wife is very very beautiful and sexy.

and so on and on...

You know if this carry on like this, your wife will divorce you., she call you nut!!!

so long my system do not break trough..rally is still on.

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12-Sep-2011 17:46

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I think there will be one more new low ard 1130 for the S& P, for a more sustainable rally, later.

i think it is better for Euro to implore for PIGS to default all together and mkt crash to rock bottom low.

so we can have another orund of 2009 all over again..it is so much easy to make money in 2009.

remember buy capitaland at 1.6 and sell at 4.5...

instead of ding dong here,,want to dies cannot dies, want to live also cannot..

better let them all dies faster, so the mkt can digest it fast , hit bootom fast,and move forward..

but i am afraid that will be in late 2012..

so at the mnean time, there will be lot of sad soul here.

One thing is funny, ppl lost toto and 4D never complain, but if their counter go down few % they complain.

no wonder Singapore Pool is call a POOL..all enjoy throwing their money there happily..

it is a POOL of some 10B yearly revenue if i am not wrong.

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12-Sep-2011 17:36

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Just to share, with the so call newbies, i dont call u that ,make me like expert.

now mkt change fast, we learn new thing everyday, so we are all newbies actually.

if you are new in stock, go invest some money to learn how to trade, make sure you learn from those who are license .

then after you have learn , you fine tune your method, do a dry run, dont involve actual money first.

record down all your trade.buy , sell px,, reason for buy and sell..

keep doing dry run with no actual money involve...since no money involve you can learn better with emotion out of the way..

then,, finally , you are very very very sure of your method , now you can go ahead and do the real thing, but with smaller trade.

becos now it involve money, your emotion will more or less play havoc with your trade..

buying stock is not TOTO or 4d..if you enter your trade properly, your chances are higher..

be pateint and slowly ,,mkt is always there, dont be afraid of miss opportunity.

but that is not true with your money,,, if you dont implement stop loss,

your capital will be hold or stuck in a counter and when a rally come, you will miss the opportunity to capitalise on it.

go learn, no short cut,, and invest in your future, go learn from those who are license..in the mkt there are alot of scam., you got to be careful here.

some are not license to teach trading for MAS. or SGX..check their background..

so the best place for you to start is SGX...go there learn TA and FA..,

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12-Sep-2011 10:00

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All is betting...if u think so , then go casino...this is stock mkt..not for betting..definitely those 50/50.

i recommend you Marian Bay Sand,

and you think you can buy Genting at 1.55!!!

we see.

your buy and sell px spread are so close, i dont know whether it can work this way..

maybe you are ipunter,

iPunter ( Date: 12-Sep-2011 09:50) Posted:

And if the plan does not materialise, there's nothing to

regret or agonise about (eg. hittiing the palm on forehollyead).

After all, All is Betting...

In stocks, super-confidence is simply folly... Smiley

iPunter ( Date: 12-Sep-2011 09:46) Posted:

For bettors, 1.55 will be a good bet (buy) for GentSp...

Cut loss @1.53 and bet again @1.38...

Such can be a good game plan... Smiley

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12-Sep-2011 09:55

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I think this guy, Andreytan must trying to attract attention or what???

trying to become stock mkt idol

today mkt are so red, yet he say bull, is he bullshit or is he color blind. cna only see other color , cannot see red.

never mind , just stay with your decision and stay with it..must have conviction,

do what you think is right?? but must have a stop limit. is the most important thing,

protect your capital..

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12-Sep-2011 09:45

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Why mkt lead econmy by a few month??

simple...say you are in business, and see today mkt turmoil, you start to hold back your business expansion, stop or reduce orders.

so after a few months later, your current order more or less completed, and then also no more order come in, so now the real economy tank or slow.

thus, there some true to say that the economy lead stock mkt by a few month '

bad news,,stock tank,,business see, cut back,,so later (few mths later) business slow, then it is all over again,

till all people here tank.. and so tank that bear come see bear,,,bull come see bull.

just got Genting SP again at 1.63..hope u buy some.

iPunter ( Date: 12-Sep-2011 08:21) Posted:

Although it is common knowledge that the stock market

'leads' the economy by a few months, yet basing one's

bets only on this fact alone may not be fool-proof.

For no one really knows if the reaction is a rebound

or a retracement. And such reactions can be of

considerable magnitude. Thus, one can not be too sure... Smiley

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